Why are you calling Elder Epley a liar, and what exactly makes you think is ok to accuse the elder of being partial to murder?
speaking of false prophets. YOU are telling flat out lies and being utterly dispicable. no thumbs up here. your just nasty.
Where have I called the 'reverend' epley a liar?
Any preacher or group that preaches against doctors, either overtly or covertly, will have blood on their hands when such evil teaching results in the death of men, women, children and infants. I know some of the folks the 'reverend' fellowships with. I know what's in the graveyards by their churches.
The 'reverend' epley is quick to point out false prophets, I wonder why the 'reverend' doesn't point out those who are involved in such things as false prophets? Could it be that the 'reverend' epley is blind and uncaring about the innocent and chooses to overlook the evil that is within the folks he fellowships with?
Any preacher or group that preaches against doctors, either overtly or covertly, will have blood on their hands when such evil teaching results in the death of men, women, children and infants. I know some of the folks the 'reverend' fellowships with. I know what's in the graveyards by their churches.
The 'reverend' epley is quick to point out false prophets, I wonder why the 'reverend' doesn't point out those who are involved in such things as false prophets? Could it be that the 'reverend' epley is blind and uncaring about the innocent and chooses to overlook the evil that is within the folks he fellowships with?
whatever. You called the Elder a liar and now you are backing down.
you are acting like a jerk to a man who has given his life for the gospel. Elder Eply and I dont agree on a lot of things. That doesnt mean I am going to be disrespectful.
your attitude toward him is disgusting. I am sure you are incapable of being ashamed of yourself.
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whatever. You called the Elder a liar and now you are backing down.
you are acting like a jerk to a man who has given his life for the gospel. Elder Eply and I dont agree on a lot of things. That doesnt mean I am going to be disrespectful.
your attitude toward him is disgusting. I am sure you are incapable of being ashamed of yourself.
I ask again, where have I called the 'reverend' epley a liar? Point it out. Post it.
I'm disgusted by the 'reverends' Pharisaical behavior. And of course we aren't going to condemn the false prophets in the 'reverend' epley's little group are we?
Then why are you Pentecostal? Why aren't you Reformed?
There is barely any meat in OP teaching or books, barely any commentaries, and what material is available tends to be about oneness, baptism, tongues, holiness standards, or "power/anointing". Very little meat on those bones and then someone gets ridiculed for reading trinitarian writers and actually getting fed something. There's not much to choose from on pentecostalpublishing.com
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And of course we aren't going to condemn the false prophets in the 'reverend' epley's little group are we?
True. One is granted tremendous flexibility as long as they stay under the umbrella of OP.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
Your view of 'church divisions' is rather myopic. Have you spent any time perusing the discussions which take place among Eastern Orthodox people? Including their leadership?
If you did you would realise the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox groups are the KINGS of schism.
The russian Orthodox for example have at least about 10 different schisms going on RIGHT NOW. It got so bad in the early 20th century they even had MULTIPLE schismatic groups claiming there was no more church of God in the earth! They have had patriarchs and antipatriarchs, popes and antipopes if you will, galore. And I am just talking in the last century, forget their whole history.
The Reformed bunch aren't much better. You do realise that practically EVERY 'reformed' denomination is a schism, because they believe the other Reformed denominations are in some kind of error?
How about the Adventist movement? Literally SCORES of groups came out of that.
How about Herbert Armostrong's bunch? Just in the last 30 years alone that one single movement divided up into about 50 different entire denominations, arguing over various minor and major doctrinal points.
The Messianic movement is even more fractured with everything from full blown Talmudic Judaism (with a touch of Yehsua) to full blown charismatic evangelicalism (with a touch of sacred name-ism).
How about the Baptists? American baptists alone have more denominational structures, all created because of SCHISMS, than probably any other American religious movement with the possible exception of the Sacred Name bunch.
And finally, who has the history of MASS MURDER? Yeah, I said it - MASS MURDER.
The Catholics, Reformed, Orthodox groups have a rather detailed history of MURDERING entire communities of Christians who believed differently than they did.
I sure don't know any apostolics who believe that trinitarians should all be rounded up and PUT TO DEATH BY THE STATE, or that anyone who practices infant baptism should be likewise BURNT AT THE STAKE.
I don't know of any apostolic pentecostal group that believes, desires, or would EVER promote the mass roundup of ALL OTHER DENOMINATIONS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.
'Same spirit'? I think not.
Sure we disagree. We disagree on some fundamental issues. So did folks in the early 1st century church. You can read about those disagreements in the pages of your Bible. The earliest apostolic church faced schism and heresy. Nothing new.
This ecumenical attitude you desire is contrary to all Christian history, including the pages of the New Testament. It was and is nothing less than a plot by the Jesuit counter-reformation to 'bring all christians back to Rome'. The Vatican still enjoins the counter-reformation. The 'ecumenical movement' where all Christians just 'love each other and unite in friendship and get along' is a creation of forces who desire to EXTINGUISH biblical christianity.
The very existence of the schismatic 'Old Catholics' and 'traditionalist catholics' is due to Rome's attempt to create an ecumenical uniting of all christians.
The humanists and socialists picked up the ball with the 'evangelical movement' and the liberal 'ecumenical movement'.
To say this is comparable to the disputes among apostolics is naive at best. To say apostolics must not stand for truth and point out error is hypocritical.
Where is your condemnation of MacArthur's condemnation of YOU? According to him you are a HERETIC. And according to the Reformed tradition he claims to be a part of, you deserve to be put to death by the state.
I was reading this on my cell phone do I'll have to reread it later b/c its too long. But based on the first 2 paragraphs I'd say you missed my point.
I'm not saying that other groups don't have problems with division, what I'm saying is Apostolics who claimed to have THE TRUTH act the same way. And considering how they attack their own who dare to question the sacred cows can there be any doubt that OPs would have been just as barbaric in the the muddle ages as the catholics and some protestants?
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
And considering how they attack their own who dare to question the sacred cows can there be any doubt that OPs would have been just as barbaric in the the muddle ages as the catholics and some protestants?
Yes, there can be a serious doubt that oneness pentecostals would act just as barbarically (sp?) as the catholics and protestants in the middle ages, because most OP theology is baptistic, which maintains a separation of church and state. Therefore, theologically, OPs are generally against the state punishing heresy.
I call them false prophets because they deny the truth about Jesus being the Almighty God and the new birth of water and Spirit. Very simple.
As concerning those who carry faith to a point way beyond myself it is before God they will answer. I know preachers and their wives who have died without doctor's care that was their choice. They promoted people to have faith in God for healing without medical aid some were healed and some died.
I do not promote that myself in fact take medicine and go to the doctor but I am not going to fault those who choose to trust God for their healing.(by the which the majority of every branch of the Pentecostal movement did at one time.) I have never personally buried any child I pastored because the parent refused to take them to the doctor. However I have preached funerals of infants who died under the doctors care. Your impugning of those who choose to believe God rather than doctors seems to be mockery to me. I do not teach that level of faith but if a man have faith let him have it between him and God alone.
I call them false prophets because they deny the truth about Jesus being the Almighty God and the new birth of water and Spirit. Very simple.
As concerning those who carry faith to a point way beyond myself it is before God they will answer. I know preachers and their wives who have died without doctor's care that was their choice. They promoted people to have faith in God for healing without medical aid some were healed and some died.
I do not promote that myself in fact take medicine and go to the doctor but I am not going to fault those who choose to trust God for their healing.(by the which the majority of every branch of the Pentecostal movement did at one time.) I have never personally buried any child I pastored because the parent refused to take them to the doctor. However I have preached funerals of infants who died under the doctors care. Your impugning of those who choose to believe God rather than doctors seems to be mockery to me. I do not teach that level of faith but if a man have faith let him have it between him and God alone.
I call them false prophets because they deny the truth about Jesus being the Almighty God and the new birth of water and Spirit. Very simple.
As concerning those who carry faith to a point way beyond myself it is before God they will answer. I know preachers and their wives who have died without doctor's care that was their choice. They promoted people to have faith in God for healing without medical aid some were healed and some died.
I do not promote that myself in fact take medicine and go to the doctor but I am not going to fault those who choose to trust God for their healing.(by the which the majority of every branch of the Pentecostal movement did at one time.) I have never personally buried any child I pastored because the parent refused to take them to the doctor. However I have preached funerals of infants who died under the doctors care. Your impugning of those who choose to believe God rather than doctors seems to be mockery to me. I do not teach that level of faith but if a man have faith let him have it between him and God alone.
For probably the first time......I can actually say I agree with every word Steve Eply said.
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