Can God Pray?

seekerman · #1 11-08-2013, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

I can't really say anything to that. If someone refuses to try and understand something because another uses an analogy... i just don't know what to say.

I always find that the discussion centers on the analogy instead of scripture. Who does the snake represent, who does the cow represent? Well, cows aren't snakes and snakes aren't cows but there is one master manipulator controlling both of them, now who is the master manipulator?

The trinitarians do the same thing with the egg analogy. Shells and yolks don't have interpersonal relationships though.

Analogies always fail. Simply discuss God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ without using snakes, cows and eggs.

jfrog · #2 11-08-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

I always find that the discussion centers on the analogy instead of scripture. Who does the snake represent, who does the cow represent? Well, cows aren't snakes and snakes aren't cows but there is one master manipulator controlling both of them, now who is the master manipulator?

The trinitarians do the same thing with the egg analogy. Shells and yolks don't have interpersonal relationships though.

Analogies always fail. Simply discuss God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ without using snakes, cows and eggs.

The snake and cow aren't an anology. The snake and cow are an example not an analogy. Prax's position can be extended to anything and as such I extended it to a snake and a cow to provide an example. I thought it might be easier to focus on the connections when using an example that isn't as close to your heart as God and Jesus. Instead you refuse to use the example because to you its an analogy. But in this situation it's an example and regardless of which two things you choose to talk about as being one thing Prax's solution works all the same.

seekerman · #3 11-08-2013, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

The snake and cow aren't an anology. The snake and cow are an example not an analogy. Prax's position can be extended to anything and as such I extended it to a snake and a cow to provide an example. I thought it might be easier to focus on the connections when using an example that isn't as close to your heart as God and Jesus. Instead you refuse to use the example because to you its an analogy. But in this situation it's an example and regardless of which two things you choose to talk about as one thing Prax's solution works all the same.

I really only want to focus on God and Jesus and their interpersonal relationship. Not trying to be difficult, but I cannot make the transition from God and Jesus to snakes and cows.

jfrog · #4 11-08-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

I really only want to focus on God and Jesus and their interpersonal relationship. Not trying to be difficult, but I cannot make the transition from God and Jesus to snakes and cows.

Then lets talk in general because it all works the same. Do you believe there can be one thing which is or controls two other totally unrelated things?

seekerman · #5 11-08-2013, 12:40 PM

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Then lets talk in general because it all works the same. Do you believe there can be one thing which is or controls two other totally unrelated things?

I'd rather talk specifics. God controls Jesus but is unrelated or Jesus controls God?

Let's talk God and Jesus, the Father and the Son.

jfrog · #6 11-09-2013, 02:00 AM

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I'd rather talk specifics. God controls Jesus but is unrelated or Jesus controls God?

Let's talk God and Jesus, the Father and the Son.

How can I discuss with you my belief that there is a general logical phenomenon that occurs which allows Prax's explanation to be logical if you refuse to speak on anything except the specific case of God and Jesus? I'm not trying to sidestep the God and Jesus debate or even make analogies. It's just that I believe there is a single logical phenomenon that forms the basis for his position and even makes it logically possible. If you can understand how the general logical phenomenon works then you will be able to easily apply it to God and Jesus and understand how his beliefs are logically consistent.

Or instead lets go around in circles on the specifics of God and Jesus which you keep getting stuck on because you don't understand how his theology can be logically consistent.