(DKB) Muslims worship God of the Bible

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

George Wood has been in Pentecost for over 50 years why has he not been lead into the truth according to Oneness doctrine?

And why haven't all the Oneness folks been led into the truth of the trinity?

When I got the Holy Ghost, I had no conception of 'Oneness vs trinity'. The word 'trinity' to me, at that time, simply meant God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. But the INSTANT God filled me with the Holy Ghost I KNEW I was just filled with JESUS CHRIST. It was JESUS who came into my soul, into my being, into my spirit, into my very person.

Within about a week I met a brother who showed me Isaiah 9:6 and Matthew 28:18-19 and Acts 2:38 and it MADE PERFECT SENSE.

It wasn't until years later that I heard the term 'Oneness' as a theological concept of the godhead. Prior to that I simply thought of the 'trinity' as being the three ways God reveals himself to mankind - as Father, as the son (Jesus of Nazareth), as the Spirit. I did NOT however have any conception of 'three people' or 'three persons' or 'three personalities' in heaven or anywhere else. All 'three' were ONE to me - and HIS NAME WAS JESUS.

After I studied the issues of trinity, Oneness, Arianism, two-ness, etc etc... I have become even more convinced than ever that the trinity doctrine is a man made lie borrowed from Jewish and pagan gnosticism foisted upon Christendom. I have also become ever more convinced that the average 'trinitarian' has no idea what 'trinity' actually means or implies. I am convinced based upon my interactions with trinitarians that the average trinitarian believes as I did - that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three terms for the three ways God relates to us.

I have also met some who are outright tritheists, though they of course would deny it.

And I have met a couple who swear up and down that 'trinity means Jesus is not God, just God's son'. Go figure.

I have also listened to a baptist 'trinitarian' preacher preach the deity of Jesus as strongly and as well as any Oneness preacher. And I have listened to trinitarians pray, and many times they go from praying to God the Father to Jesus back and forth AS IF THEY WERE ONENESS.

Example: Holy Father, we worship you and praise you and give you glory Lord Jesus, for you are worthy of honour and praise Lord God, bless us with your presence Lord, let your will be done Lord Jesus, for we are your children and you are our Abba Father Lord God... etc etc.

Many trinitarians are Oneness through and through until you bring up the subject of 'the trinity' then suddenly they have to defend the triune godhead at all costs, mostly due to lack of knowledge of what they are talking about, I suspect. Many trinitarians, if you say to them 'the trinity is a false conception of God' think you are simply denying the deity of Jesus.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And why haven't all the Oneness folks been led into the truth of the trinity?

When I got the Holy Ghost, I had no conception of 'Oneness vs trinity'. The word 'trinity' to me, at that time, simply meant God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. But the INSTANT God filled me with the Holy Ghost I KNEW I was just filled with JESUS CHRIST. It was JESUS who came into my soul, into my being, into my spirit, into my very person.

Within about a week I met a brother who showed me Isaiah 9:6 and Matthew 28:18-19 and Acts 2:38 and it MADE PERFECT SENSE.

It wasn't until years later that I heard the term 'Oneness' as a theological concept of the godhead. Prior to that I simply thought of the 'trinity' as being the three ways God reveals himself to mankind - as Father, as the son (Jesus of Nazareth), as the Spirit. I did NOT however have any conception of 'three people' or 'three persons' or 'three personalities' in heaven or anywhere else. All 'three' were ONE to me - and HIS NAME WAS JESUS.

After I studied the issues of trinity, Oneness, Arianism, two-ness, etc etc... I have become even more convinced than ever that the trinity doctrine is a man made lie borrowed from Jewish and pagan gnosticism foisted upon Christendom. I have also become ever more convinced that the average 'trinitarian' has no idea what 'trinity' actually means or implies. I am convinced based upon my interactions with trinitarians that the average trinitarian believes as I did - that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three terms for the three ways God relates to us.

I have also met some who are outright tritheists, though they of course would deny it.

And I have met a couple who swear up and down that 'trinity means Jesus is not God, just God's son'. Go figure.

I have also listened to a baptist 'trinitarian' preacher preach the deity of Jesus as strongly and as well as any Oneness preacher. And I have listened to trinitarians pray, and many times they go from praying to God the Father to Jesus back and forth AS IF THEY WERE ONENESS.

Example: Holy Father, we worship you and praise you and give you glory Lord Jesus, for you are worthy of honour and praise Lord God, bless us with your presence Lord, let your will be done Lord Jesus, for we are your children and you are our Abba Father Lord God... etc etc.

Many trinitarians are Oneness through and through until you bring up the subject of 'the trinity' then suddenly they have to defend the triune godhead at all costs, mostly due to lack of knowledge of what they are talking about, I suspect. Many trinitarians, if you say to them 'the trinity is a false conception of God' think you are simply denying the deity of Jesus.

Some of the best Oneness messages have been in the Assemblies of God churches that we have been part of.

I don't really get caught up in the Godhead issue in as much as I know who Christ is in my life.

I have heard many different ways that even on this forum how the Oneness view the Godhead and yes I have heard some Trins that sound like they worship 3 gods.

I myself have been rebuked by some very strong reformation brothers who told me that I am modalist and that I need to repent and submit myself to the elders of the Church for training. I guess they would have drown me if I would have told them I am Pentecostal.

I am a tongue talking, in the authority of Jesus Christ Baptized, One God Trinitarian Pentecostal.

[tv1a]

Oneitarian is a pretty good balance.

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Some of the best Oneness messages have been in the Assemblies of God churches that we have been part of.

I don't really get caught up in the Godhead issue in as much as I know who Christ is in my life.

I have heard many different ways that even on this forum how the Oneness view the Godhead and yes I have heard some Trins that sound like they worship 3 gods.

I myself have been rebuked by some very strong reformation brothers who told me that I am modalist and that I need to repent and submit myself to the elders of the Church for training. I guess they would have drown me if I would have told them I am Pentecostal.

I am a tongue talking, in the authority of Jesus Christ Baptized, One God Trinitarian Pentecostal.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Oneitarian is a pretty good balance.

That probably best describes my Godhead view

[tv1a]

Both sides are essentially the same. One side views the godhead as spiritual cosmic entity, the other side views the godhead as a personal relational entity.

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

That probably best describes my Godhead view