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Old 11-27-2013, 05:39 PM
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Re: Turkeys Died To Set The White Man Free?

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Ok, why should they bring it up?
Because history is always relevant.
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Because history is always relevant.
I agree, but you would also agree that history shouldn't be used as a tool to guilt people...correct?
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I agree, but you would also agree that history shouldn't be used as a tool to guilt people...correct?
Yes. What happened way back has nothing to do with me as far as me personally hurting someone although it has a definite affect on people's cultures today.
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Yes. What happened way back has nothing to do with me as far as me personally hurting someone although it has a definite affect on people's cultures today.
What do you think about reparations?

Like Holocaust Restitution?
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What do you think about reparations?

Like Holocaust Restitution?
I think there is a place for reparations but each situation will be different.
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I think there is a place for reparations but each situation will be different.
What would be some situations which would make reparations unavailable?
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What would be some situations which would make reparations unavailable?
Too much passage of time. There needs to be a year of Jubilee.
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Now the issue of disease decimating the people, on page 31-32 of The State of Native America: Genocide, Colonization, and Resistance, the editor writes on page 31, in all probability the first epidemics occurred in Florida which were brought on by the Spanish explorers, and was spread by the Indians who traveled to other areas. So, these Europeans diseases came via ships. Yet, your post after reading just one book I offered may cause the causal reader to walk away believing that before any European ever set a foot on the soil of America?
Spaniards were not the Colonists. It was not an intentional infection. Therefore it was not genocide. You are obfuscating what we were discussing.

That topic was that YOU said it was a campaign of Genocide AND that the Tribe was NOT decimated by disease down to a small number.

Saying the Spaniards first introduced disease does NOT affect the discussion, it obfuscates it. In other words what you did was to try to change the topic and hope nobody noticed

The point I made was that the Indians were reduced by 75% BEFORE the Colonists arrived. Spaniards were EXPLORERS not COLONISTS

The facts are, the Colonists did not set out on a genocidal campaign to rid the planet of Indians. They were attacked and defended themselves. The large numbers of Indians being killed were from disease introduced by Explorers not the Colonists

Disease is a natural disaster.

I left out the deliberate attempt because it was a part of the colonists WARFARE tactict. That's right...some colonists were already in a war with the Indians and part of their desperate plan to win was to infect that particular tribe.

Once again that is not genocide, that is war. Dropping a bunch of bombs on your enemy to kill them and win a war is not genocide just because a lot of people died. It might stink but that is not Genocide.

So the part you left out fails to mention that the intentional infection occurred AFTER most of the Tribes had been reduced by 75% through disease AND during a war with certain colonists defending themselves.

Spreading Disease to win a war might be right or wrong BUT that is again all beside the point. This is again part of your attempt to change the topic and obfuscate things.

The point is unchanged. MOST of the Tribe in question was already decimated by disease by the time the colonists arrived contrary to your claims and supported by the very book you suggested. In other words your book supports everything Essias and I said so far.

There were very few of them left by the time the new indian leader came into power and started war with the Colonists. It was therefore NOT Genocide but war.
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