what do you think?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Tell that to the non-religious and moderate Israelis, and those who live in Williamsburg Brooklyn.

Muslims have been living in Dearborn Michigan since the early 1900s. In Dearborn they have the largest mosque in the United States which dates back to 1964. The oldest mosque in the United States is the Mother Mosque which is in Iowa which was built in the 1930s. I bring all this up because before Iranian hostages crisis (November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981) the Muslims (Shiites) were virtually unknown to the American Church. Yes, yes, we knew of Palestinians who were causing the Israelis issue with Yasser Arafat with his now famous head scarf, but for the most part the Arab wasn't the boogie man he is currently. If you look at the first original Search for Truth the battle of Armageddon is fought with Arabs fighting Jesus Christ and His returning armies. After 9/11 the Muslims (Shiites, Sunni, NOI, 5% Nation, or anyone wearing headscarf even if he is your gardener) has come under suspicion as a player in the End Time, and a threat to everything that is decent and free.

I brought up the Beth Din and what is going on in Williamsburg Brooklyn because it is also a religious council that the "religion" uses, and as far as specifically "bike lanes" in Willaimsburg it is a religion gaining preference by the politics of the town. Sort of like "one" group of Muslims using a swimming pool? Yet, the closing down of an entire bicycle lane is far more amazing!

Whether or not some people of any group can be considered to be a problem doesn't mean we should start to fear the entire movement, or all of the people who are part of a certain religion. Whether they're Orthodox Jews, or Muslims.

Even Christians, there are sects of Christianity that believe, or once believed that they were to conqueror for Christ. The late Dr D. James Kennedy totally believed (because of his Postmillennialist views) that the Presbyterian church was to legislate morality by being involved in government politics, and therefore bring about a rule and reign of Christ on the earth. Sort of like getting everything cleaned up before Christ's return?

I also brought up the documentary The International Jew, which was produced by the National Socialist Party, and how the Nazi party used racial prejudice to come against an entire group and religion.

So, in short, we as Christians should be focusing teaching, preaching, and peaceful dialog to other groups. Not trying to get everyone to fear, and hate any certain group. History might repeat itself, and when they start (not saying it will happen, just saying what if it might happen) marching off all Muslims (like they did the Japanese during World War II) to camps? Then after they are all rounded up they look for another trouble making group, one that doesn't play well with others, and refuses to compromise their beliefs with other beliefs? Then they start moving on to other groups, Christians?

Ok, it could never happen here, and what I'm saying about Christians being rounded up is just Dystopian fiction. Yet, I do believe there might of been some individuals who were Christians during the Nazi uprising in Germany who thought that after the Nazis rounded up the Jews, they might of been next on the menu.

If he was still alive, I wonder what Martin-Niemöller would think about the whole Islamophobia in the West?

Muslims have never been a problem in nations where they make up a fraction of the population. That changes when the numbers grow.

There were no issues in France for many years but has the population of the muslims has grown, entire areas get shut down and streets are over run for prayers.

I can tell you first hand about french muslims, I along with a group of my navy buddies got lost in Toulon in 2001. We ended up in a muslim neighborhood and nearly got killed. Had we not had numbers, and a serious willingness to live by any means necessary.... and a short run out of that area, I am not sure I would be typing this right now.

Regardless of the Setmars of Williamsburgs use of government to get what they want, they do not have as a tenant of their faith, the forced conversion of infidel that the muslims have.

No matter how you cut it, there is one single group of people walking the face of the earth who have a holy book that compels them to kill those who do not agree with them on matters of faith. That group is the followers of Islam. period.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Muslims have never been a problem in nations where they make up a fraction of the population. That changes when the numbers grow.

There were no issues in France for many years but has the population of the muslims has grown, entire areas get shut down and streets are over run for prayers.

I can tell you first hand about french muslims, I along with a group of my navy buddies got lost in Toulon in 2001. We ended up in a muslim neighborhood and nearly got killed. Had we not had numbers, and a serious willingness to live by any means necessary.... and a short run out of that area, I am not sure I would be typing this right now.

Regardless of the Setmars of Williamsburgs use of government to get what they want, they do not have as a tenant of their faith, the forced conversion of infidel that the muslims have.

No matter how you cut it, there is one single group of people walking the face of the earth who have a holy book that compels them to kill those who do not agree with them on matters of faith. That group is the followers of Islam. period.

I can tell you about a few black teens who ended up walking in the wrong part of Borough Park, Brooklyn, and ended up having stones thrown at them.

Also young black teens who ended up in Besonhurst and one (Yusef Hawkins) ended up getting shot. The young Yusef Hawkins wasn't murdered because he was a Muslim, a Christian, or anything about religion, he was murdered because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The neighborhood where young Hawkins was walking through wasn't Muslim, Jewish, or Orthodox Christian, but it was prominently Italian American. Does the death of Yusef Hawkins means all Italian Americans will kill black people who walk through their neighborhood? If you are black will you get rocks thrown at you if you walk through Borough Park? The answer is no.

Yet, using your argument if we take militants of any race, culture or religion will you be in danger if you walk through their camp? Maybe?

In Israel today they are having problem with their Ultra Orthodox communities to the point that Israel is split on how they will deal with the problem.

You also bring up that if "Muslims" become the the predominate population?

The National Socialist Party said close to the same thing, but their solution was concentration camps. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not calling you a NAZI for your views concerning this issue, but what I am saying is that someone needs to stop talking about a problem, and start talking about a solution which doesn't throw YOUR beliefs and FREEDOMS under the bus!

Problem: if Muslims become the predominate population they will subjugate, attack and kill the minority population? (When people say this I always wonder how the Syrian Orthodox Church survived 1,000 years in Iran, Syria, Palestine, and Turkey?)

So, what's the solution?

Make the building of mosques, the practice of Islam, and the printing of their religious books illegal in the United States?

Problem: if Muslims become the predominate population they will subjugate, attack and kill the minority population?

So, what's the solution?

Round them up, relocate them in concentration camps then force them out of the country?

Problem: If Muslims get stronger in their countries where they have been relocated they might attack the non-believing countries they were forced out.

So, what's the solution?

Send military over to their lands and subjugate them, attack them, and kill every man women and child who will not accept our way of life, and sets of beliefs?

We are Christians, we are the group who converted the Roman Empire the empire who once subjugated us and kill us. 2,000 years of Christian history of every flavor and denomination has saturated the globe, all from one little group. So, my solution is to live like Christ, show Jesus through the power of the Holy Ghost and pray that Jesus Christ keeps you safe as your world comes under the curse of kicking Jesus Christ to the curb.

Love you my brother in Jesus name.