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Old 05-26-2007, 09:29 PM
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You teach power in hair doctrine?

That's sad.
I teach that if women are obedient that God will reward them.
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Old 05-26-2007, 10:11 PM
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I teach that if women are obedient that God will reward them.
I believe God rewards anyone who is obedient, men and women. I'm sure you do as well, just agreeing with you.
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Old 05-26-2007, 10:13 PM
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What I was taught is this.

when a woman cuts her Hair it is because she has an authority problem with Males and that it is always because she has a disobedient spirit.
also that the feminist movement in America taught the women to rebel against male leadership. It's all related the submission to the hair
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Old 05-26-2007, 10:15 PM
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What I was taught is this.

when a woman cuts her Hair it is because she has an authority problem with Males and that it is always because she has a disobedient spirit.
also that the feminist movement in America taught the women to rebel against male leadership. It's all related the submission to the hair
Thad, the problem is, there is no Biblical support for this doctrine. None whatsoever.

There were rebellious people all over the Bible, most of them being men. Rebellion is a heart matter, not caused by something one does.

Most women in this country would laugh at such a notion. The only women who wouldn't are those who believe that doctrine, but they stand on shaky ground.
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Old 05-26-2007, 10:24 PM
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What I was taught is this.

when a woman cuts her Hair it is because she has an authority problem with Males and that it is always because she has a disobedient spirit.
also that the feminist movement in America taught the women to rebel against male leadership. It's all related the submission to the hair
I was never taught that way at all -- that if a woman cuts her hair it's because she has an authority problem with males. I don't think I have an "authority problem with males". If I had a problem with authority it would be more likely with females than with males.

If a woman is obedient and submissive overall but not obedient to the interpretation and thusly the demand made in regard to long hair -- then what about that? It's not because she is a rebel and has a disobedient spirit overall. Her demeanor and behavior says the opposite. This is true in many cases.
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Old 05-26-2007, 10:31 PM
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well i don't know what to tell you Ladies, all i know is that what i said is the mind set of the traditional apostolic church like it or not. They teach that uncut hair has to do with submission to authority. it does talk about it some place in there
also, i know you have heard pastors teach that when pants and cut hair was introduced in American culture, that's when things started slowly going down hill. after that, they took prayer out of the schools, then we had the hippie uprising and the feminist movement against Men, etc
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Old 05-27-2007, 09:10 AM
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well i don't know what to tell you Ladies, all i know is that what i said is the mind set of the traditional apostolic church like it or not. They teach that uncut hair has to do with submission to authority. it does talk about it some place in there also, i know you have heard pastors teach that when pants and cut hair was introduced in American culture, that's when things started slowly going down hill. after that, they took prayer out of the schools, then we had the hippie uprising and the feminist movement against Men, etc
See, this is the problem with many people - they don't know what the scripture really says, they only know what they've been taught, and they say, "I know its in there somewhere". But where? What does the Bible really say about the correlation between long hair and submission?

Too many people rely on tradition and teaching instead of studying the issue for themselves.

This is not against you Thad, it's just indicative of the way we were taught.
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See, this is the problem with many people - they don't know what the scripture really says, they only know what they've been taught, and they say, "I know its in there somewhere". But where? What does the Bible really say about the correlation between long hair and submission?

Too many people rely on tradition and teaching instead of studying the issue for themselves.

This is not against you Thad, it's just indicative of the way we were taught.
Michael, Thad won't study this out for himself (most people are like that when taught something all their lives), although I can't blame him because it has nothing to do with him, but he just only repeats what he's been told, therefore honest discussion can't be had.

However, like you pointed out, it's the way we are taught. I was taught the same way and believed it to death until I started studying it for myself and realized that the teachings were in error.
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well i don't know what to tell you Ladies, all i know is that what i said is the mind set of the traditional apostolic church like it or not. They teach that uncut hair has to do with submission to authority. it does talk about it some place in there
also, i know you have heard pastors teach that when pants and cut hair was introduced in American culture, that's when things started slowly going down hill. after that, they took prayer out of the schools, then we had the hippie uprising and the feminist movement against Men, etc
I wonder what excuse Sodom and Gomorrah had when their society went 'downhill'???

Ninevah likewise. Those cities didn't start out as bad as they'd become.

Eve must have cut her hair and worn pants to do what she did to get kicked out of the garden too, huh?

Yeah, the world is going to hell in a hand basket........all because pants and cut hair was introduced to American culture for women. Shame on us.
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What I was taught is this.

when a woman cuts her Hair it is because she has an authority problem with Males and that it is always because she has a disobedient spirit.
also that the feminist movement in America taught the women to rebel against male leadership. It's all related the submission to the hair
Amen this is true
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