Are Jehovahs Witnesses Saved?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Would it have anything to do with denying the deity of Christ?

Oh? So it matters about who Jesus is? They say they believe he is the son of God. They also say God created the Universe by him.

What makes the Trinitarian version of who Jesus is better than their version?

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Oh? So it matters about who Jesus is? They say they believe he is the son of God. They also say God created the Universe by him.

What makes the Trinitarian version of who Jesus is better than their version?

Once again I can't speak for all but as far as I know Trinitarians believe Christ to be God in the flesh. Do the JW's? You are correct they do believe Him to be Messiah.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Once again I can't speak for all but as far as I know Trinitarians believe Christ to be God in the flesh. Do the JW's? You are correct they do believe Him to be Messiah.

So now are you saying that we have to be correct about who Jesus is to be saved?

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So now are you saying that we have to be correct about who Jesus is to be saved?

Honestly I don't know that it is all that simple. I think we serve a big God with grace and mercy. He knows the condition of our hearts. I don't think that a perfect understanding of the Godhead is as important as our relationship with Him.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Honestly I don't know that it is all that simple. I think we serve a big God with grace and mercy. He knows the condition of our hearts. I don't think that a perfect understanding of the Godhead is as important as our relationship with Him.

Well that would be the bottom line concerning our own hope. In the meantime I think its up to someone to preach what Yeshua himself said about it.

3 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:23-24

There is something he said we have to believe about him or we will die in our sins.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well that would be the bottom line concerning our own hope. In the meantime I think its up to someone to preach what Yeshua himself said about it.

3 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:23-24

There is something he said we have to believe about him or we will die in our sins.

LOL. Did you really just quote John 8:23-25 as your prooftext that we need to believe that Jesus is God? John 8:23-25 is a passage about believing Jesus is the Messiah because in John 8:25 when asked about who he claimed to be Jesus says "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning." Who did Jesus say he was in the beggining? Search the scriptures for the beginning of Jesus' ministry and you will see that in the beginning he claims to be the Messiah only

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by jfrog

LOL. Did you really just quote John 8:23-25 as your prooftext that we need to believe that Jesus is God? John 8:23-25 is a passage about believing Jesus is the Messiah because in John 8:25 when asked about who he claimed to be Jesus says "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning." Who did Jesus say he was in the beggining? Search the scriptures for the beginning of Jesus' ministry and you will see that in the beginning he claims to be the Messiah only

Well yes that is my prooftext as a matter of fact!

Who is THE MESSIAH?

Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Unless one believes he is the Father and the Son guess what?