Are Jehovahs Witnesses Saved?

Michael The Disciple · #1 12-19-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Honestly I don't know that it is all that simple. I think we serve a big God with grace and mercy. He knows the condition of our hearts. I don't think that a perfect understanding of the Godhead is as important as our relationship with Him.

Well that would be the bottom line concerning our own hope. In the meantime I think its up to someone to preach what Yeshua himself said about it.

3 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:23-24

There is something he said we have to believe about him or we will die in our sins.

jfrog · #2 12-21-2013, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well that would be the bottom line concerning our own hope. In the meantime I think its up to someone to preach what Yeshua himself said about it.

3 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:23-24

There is something he said we have to believe about him or we will die in our sins.

LOL. Did you really just quote John 8:23-25 as your prooftext that we need to believe that Jesus is God? John 8:23-25 is a passage about believing Jesus is the Messiah because in John 8:25 when asked about who he claimed to be Jesus says "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning." Who did Jesus say he was in the beggining? Search the scriptures for the beginning of Jesus' ministry and you will see that in the beginning he claims to be the Messiah only

Michael The Disciple · #3 12-21-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

LOL. Did you really just quote John 8:23-25 as your prooftext that we need to believe that Jesus is God? John 8:23-25 is a passage about believing Jesus is the Messiah because in John 8:25 when asked about who he claimed to be Jesus says "Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning." Who did Jesus say he was in the beggining? Search the scriptures for the beginning of Jesus' ministry and you will see that in the beginning he claims to be the Messiah only

Well yes that is my prooftext as a matter of fact!

Who is THE MESSIAH?

Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Unless one believes he is the Father and the Son guess what?

jfrog · #4 12-21-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well yes that is my prooftext as a matter of fact!

Who is THE MESSIAH?

Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Unless one believes he is the Father and the Son guess what?

He didn't say that there. He only said you had to believe he was the messiah. He didn't say you had to fully understand who the messiah was.

Michael The Disciple · #5 12-21-2013, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

He didn't say that there. He only said you had to believe he was the messiah. He didn't say you had to fully understand who the messiah was.

If you read the context of the discussion he said HE IS THE FATHER. He said unless you believe that you will die in sin. The text say thery understood NOT he spoke of the Father. So even tho they understood not....he still said what he said.

Abiding Now · #6 12-21-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If you read the context of the discussion he said HE IS THE FATHER. He said unless you believe that you will die in sin. The text say thery understood NOT he spoke of the Father. So even tho they understood not....he still said what he said.

Amazing isn't it? Religious folks didn't "get it" back then and 2000 years later religious folks STILL don't "get it". Makes me double THANKFUL!

jfrog · #7 12-21-2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If you read the context of the discussion he said HE IS THE FATHER. He said unless you believe that you will die in sin. The text say thery understood NOT he spoke of the Father. So even tho they understood not....he still said what he said.

WOW.. the context was explained by Jesus when he said the same that I said to you from the beginning. He didn't claim to be the Father from the beginning. If he did please show me where.

hometown guy · #8 12-21-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

WOW.. the context was explained by Jesus when he said the same that I said to you from the beginning. He didn't claim to be the Father from the beginning. If he did please show me where.

Isaiah 9:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Does everlasting count as the beginning?