Quote:
Originally Posted by hometown guy
Isaiah 9:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Does everlasting count as the beginning?
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Michael claimed his prooftext for making the deity of Jesus a salvation issue was
John 8:23-25. Sadly
John 8:23-25 only has Jesus claiming to be the messiah. Since a person can believe Jesus is the messiah without understanding that being the messiah makes Jesus God then I'd say Michael's prooftext doesn't prove what he mistakenly thought it did.
In
John 8:25 Jesus said he was the same person that he had previously been claiming he was since he began saying who he was. So the question is who did Jesus claim he was since he began to say who he was? The bible is clear, he claimed to be the messiah. Bringing
Isaiah 9:6 into this doesn't change that even if you believe it shows the messiah is God. You see, just because the messiah is shown to be God in other places doesn't imply that one must understand the messiah is God in order to be saved. A man can believe Jesus is the messiah and also be totally wrong or ignorant on many important details regarding the messiah.
I guess since we have no list of what someone needs to believe about the messiah in order to be saved it's hard to really declare what the cutoff point for salvation is when it comes to what details about the messiah are salvational.
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