Are Jehovahs Witnesses Saved?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't mean to be rude here but that is a false understanding of what Jesus was teaching. Trinitarians have tried to make that same argument, but it has nothing to do with there always being a church.

What Jesus is saying is related to death (gates of hell), not some fiery domain of a pitched fork Satan.

It means that Death has no hold over us. We will prevail over death because of the blood of the lamb

Co 15:54 But when this corruptible shall put on incorruption, and when this mortal shall put on immortality, then will take place the word that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?"
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the Law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you, appreciate the response and I certainly do not see your answer as being rude, though I don't totally agree. As you know hell (hades) some times translate to the grave and sometimes "a place of departed souls, and a place of torment, remember the rich man in Luke 16 being in "torment (verse 23). Either way, the grave, as you pointed out or "place of departed souls" (hell) does not prevail against the church.

Strong's

hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Thank you, appreciate the response and I certainly do not see your answer as being rude, though I don't totally agree. As you know hell (hades) some times translate to the grave and sometimes "a place of departed souls, and a place of torment, remember the rich man in Luke 16 being in "torment (verse 23). Either way, the grave, as you pointed out or "place of departed souls" (hell) does not prevail against the church.

Strong's

hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

However Hades is translated still proves my point. Hell, the grave, the place of departed souls nor the place of torment can prevail against us. We are victorious through Christ.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

However Hades is translated still proves my point. Hell, the grave, the place of departed souls nor the place of torment can prevail against us. We are victorious through Christ.

Seems like that's what I been saying and BTW I was agreeing with you.