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Old 01-15-2014, 03:59 PM
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Re: Facade & Pharisees in the church

What is your deal?
I know we are not born saved or Apostolic or anything but a sinner how many times do I have to say that. I said nothing of the sorts that people are born Apostolic and no one is born a sinner.
And why in the world would you think I don't know about all born again Christians are in the same body? And that our church is worldwide?
You know exactly what I meant when I said that about how big is your church?
And I don't understand why you are talking to me like I know nothing.
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Exactly!
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Exactly!
Yes, exactly. So….there you go.

But you DID say you were apostolic ALL your life!
You can't deny that.

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"All my life" is an expression
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Old 01-16-2014, 06:55 AM
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I'd like to request that everyone please use quotes when responding to posts...it's hard to lurk in here and follow the conversation when there aren't quotes!

Thank you, carry on.

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Within a few months after I joined AFF, I realized that many of the people I most enjoyed reading the posts of were people I would never have fellowshipped with in person because of their lower standards or because they didn't attend 'a good church' (meaning an ultra conservative Apostolic church). I allso realized that I enjoyed their posts because they were much kinder and more respectful than those I'd judged 'right' by appearances. It was an eye opening, thought provoking, and life changing revelation. I hope the same for you.
I've had the same experience.
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Old 01-16-2014, 07:25 AM
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What is your deal?
I don't have a deal, but I saw Subway is having a Januany special -- $5 footlongs!
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I don't have a deal, but I saw Subway is having a Januany special -- $5 footlongs!
$5 dollah...$5 dollah...$5 dollah foot looooongs...hey, hey, hey
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At a recent conference lock-in I went to, I wasn’t expecting to have a good time but honestly I did for a little while that was before I was told by someone that they just got in trouble by their youth leader because they were talking to expected “fruit cakes” and that they needed to stay away from them. Okay people first off even if they were why in the world would you tell people to stay away from your fellow brothers and fellow Christian? I do believe what the bible says about homosexuality and I do not in anyway condone it but, they were not “fruit cakes” and just because someone dresses in their own style or comes from a certain city does not mean you can put that title on them. They were just sitting there not even knowing what these people were saying about them. I do understand that we need to protect our youth from hanging out with people that might be damning to their souls, but they were not. What is that saying about our faith to the world? How are we suppose to show love to our coworkers and strangers on the street if we are told stuff like this from our youth leaders? How are we suppose to win people to God if we can’t do these things? Didn’t Jesus eat with sinners and sit with them? love them? walk with them? come here for them? yes he did.

This same person started to put down people and my pastor and church. Just because she didn’t understand and she thought she was right. For one you do not come to a conference and do that, you shouldn’t anyway or anywhere but that totally cleared me of her for any future talks, there won’t be anymore. Her facade went back up after she left.

Anyway the point of this post is that the “fruit cakes” were the ones sitting there being polite and nice to people and being good people while the person that looked like they had it all together stood flat footed and deliberately put down my pastor, church and others then turned around and acted like nothing happened, but we are telling our people to stay away from people and dividing the church into groups. What would have happened if this was their first time visiting our kind of church and they seen or heard these people doing this? Something to think about I guess.

Didn’t we read about the Pharisees in the bible about being more “righteous” than others and exalting themselves over the rest?

Treat others how you would want to be treated.
Well, you have just been slapped here, in the OP, with a death-centric church, and surely read it correctly. I doubt that anyone here is really disagreeing in principle? I think the Q ends up being "What will you do about it?" Personally i would run; but God may have you there to overcome this, or illuminate it--which if done correctly should result in your expulsion--or etc.
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Oh my goodness I'm tired of this I simply wanted to write something about what I seen and you are coming back at me like I don't know anything about the church like I have not been in church my whole life. I know we need to separate ourselves from the world I know that we need to keep our young people away from people that would be harmful, I know all this ok. I'm not trying to be mean to you but I need you to understand that I understand how this works. And no matter what you say it's was still wrong to have done that to those young people at that conference, and maybe they should be grown up already to have decided fr themselves if they needed to stay away from them.
MissBlogger,

The difference between posting on a blog and posting on a forum is that a blog is mostly static and a forum is truly interactive. People can comment on a blog, if you have comments enabled, but you don't really have to respond. On a forum, on the other hand, all posts/threads are intended to be discussion starters. If you post or comment, you need to be prepared for the discussion that follows. It's the nature of the beast.

On the bright side, it's the very best way to get to the heart of a matter and sort something out. Having multiple people weigh in with opinions and questions can help you refine your own ideas and opinions and walk away with a clear plan of action or, at the very least, the issue settled in your mind.

Per your experience: There are nice people who are sinners and there are so-called Christians who aren't very nice. Neither of those groups of people should be allowed to affect your relationship with God or your relationship with the truly Christlike people in your life. There are people who would take an experience like that and claim that the church is full of hypocrites and avoid it completely. However, that's damaging in the longterm, and IMO, it's in opposition to what God wants for your life and for His church.

I came across a meme the other day that expressed this idea and I posted it on my facebook page:

gym hypocrites.jpg


One of my friends quickly commented, and prompted me to rethink the whole premise behind the meme. Ultimately I came to the conclusion that the principle still holds true.

Yes, it's true that I wouldn't personally hire a trainer who was out of shape--I want someone to train me who has already done the work to get themselves in shape and really knows what they're doing and what they're talking about. On the FLIP side, what the meme is actually referencing holds true. There are people at my gym who are in shape and those who are struggling. There are people who lift weights all the time and they have big muscles, but put them on the elliptical for endurance or cardio and they would collapse. Then there are cross trainers who are very fit overall, but they wouldn't make it in a weight-lifting competition. There are the people who come about once a month and then you don't see them again for awhile.

The POINT is, I don't go around trying to *fix* the problems in each person at the gym. I don't even worry about their problems. I'm there 3-5 times a week to fix ME. I don't avoid the gym because there are people there who either are there for the wrong reasons or who aren't really doing what they should be doing. The same goes for church. I don't skip church because there are people who are there who aren't doing what they should be doing. I don't skip church because some people are neglecting certain areas of their lives. I don't skip church because some people only come once a month, or even once a year. Attending church (read: assembling with other believers) is biblical, and therefore intertwined with my relationship with God, so to some extent I have to learn to do two things:

1. Keep that practice out of honor for God and somewhat independently of all the other people, and

2. Learn to respect other people who aren't there yet. I haven't arrived at perfection, so it's wrong for me to be terribly critical of all the other people who haven't arrived either. Let them work out their own salvation and don't worry if they're doing it wrong. Be at church for you and God.

Oh, here's a #3: Be humble about your own imperfections. You can be kind to others and respectful more easily if you carry around the humility that says, "I'm not perfect, so I don't expect any of you to be perfect, either."
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