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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

When was the last time you heard JA call another minister an idiot who needed brain surgery? I've heard JA preach many times and never heard him call another minister an idiot who needed brain surgery.

Still surprised you would support this kind of behavior from a minister.

There have been a lot of messages in which JA has complained about people in his church...which makes me wonder, is it the people that are the issue, or is it JA? I couldn't imagine attending a church where the Pastor regularly called people jerks, nincompoops, idiots, liars, etc.

Again, I'm not talking about sin; I'm going back to the alleged quote by Maxwell and SG that apparently put salt on JA's wound.

"alleged". We need to have an exact quote here.

I've heard him enough and read some his books to believe I understand him as a person. I'm not defending him in the sense of using that language as a proper training message. I don't hear other people emulating him, so whatever he is doing, it is, as Bratti stated,

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't know where JA is from, but I do know that in some places, that is just *how* people talk. (rough/coarse)

which makes it less alarming to me.

He's had some very deep hard knock experiences and has moved closer to looking and believing for miracles of healing, etc., which makes me value the information he shares. I especially like how he shares some of his conversations with God and how God answers his many questions and problems. I can overlook that part of his personality.

He asked the minister not to be offended before he said what he did. So, again, it shows that he is using his way of expressing himself, which the audience is very well aware of.

I think that he realized he may have, in his passion, gone a little too far, evidenced by how the audience gasped. IOW, even though the audience knows him very well, they had never experienced him acting out in that fashion. All of these things can be corrected. As Bratti stated, words to effect, it isn't as though he committed a criminal offense.

If DA doesn't like what someone says, he edits a clip and crucifies them on YouTube. He has done that with others, and I find it repugnant and totally outside the realm of Christianity. It is pure hate on his part.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He asked the minister not to be offended before he said what he did.

I know he said that, and I find it ridiculous that someone would say, "Oh please don't be offended, but YOU'RE AN IDIOT. You need brain surgery!"

That's like Rep Wilson telling obama, "Hey Prez, don't be offended, but you're a liar!"

Doesn't work. The offense is there in spite of the pathetic attempt to blunt it.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, again, it shows that he is using his way of expressing himself, which the audience is very well aware of.

I understand it's his schtick, his gimmick; however, as was said before, you would think he would mature beyond the crude and juvenile and grow up a bit by now.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think that he realized he may have, in his passion, gone a little too far, evidenced by how the audience gasped. IOW, even though the audience knows him very well, they had never experienced him acting out in that fashion.

Self-control is a fruit of the spirit. As is kindness, love, gentleness -- none of which was exhibited during that clip. He'd do well to exercise a little more of those fruits. If his "passion" is too great for him to control, he shouldn't be preaching at these conferences.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

All of these things can be corrected. As Bratti stated, words to effect, it isn't as though he committed a criminal offense.

True, though I doubt he'll change, especially if he continues to get offers to preach at camp meetings and conferences.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

I know he said that, and I find it ridiculous that someone would say, "Oh please don't be offended, but YOU'RE AN IDIOT. You need brain surgery!"

That's like Rep Wilson telling obama, "Hey Prez, don't be offended, but you're a liar!"

Doesn't work. The offense is there in spite of the pathetic attempt to blunt it.

Really? Why doesn't it work? Was Wilson lying? No, he was telling the truth. Obama was lying.

I understand it's his schtick, his gimmick; however, as was said before, you would think he would mature beyond the crude and juvenile and grow up a bit by now.

But are you trying to change his personality to suit yourself? A lot of problems we feel we have with people is more us wanting them to change because we want it. If he didn't change, I wouldn't care. He has more value to him as a person than something he said and apologized for. I doubt he will ever present himself in that way again and is probably still on the phone explaining and apologizing for his remarks.

Self-control is a fruit of the spirit. As is kindness, love, gentleness -- none of which was exhibited during that clip. He'd do well to exercise a little more of those fruits. If his "passion" is too great for him to control, he shouldn't be preaching at these conferences.

Yes, and we are ALL so kind and patient here ALL the time, aren't we? We are ALL qualified to correct JA.

True, though I doubt he'll change, especially if he continues to get offers to preach at camp meetings and conferences.

If he still gets offers, then I guess people have less of a problem with him than we do, who weren't present in the audience to see how we felt about the delivery. Video clips are not the same as being present.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Really? Why doesn't it work? Was Wilson lying? No, he was telling the truth. Obama was lying.

Doesn't lessen the offense of the remark. If JA looked at some preacher on the platform and said, "please don't be offended, but good grief, you're a fat slob." You think the preacher would be less offended just because of the prefaced, "please don't be offended?" And if JA is telling the truth, and this preacher is a fat slob, does that lessen the offense because it's true?

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, and we are ALL so kind and patient here ALL the time, aren't we? We are ALL qualified to correct JA.

Are you comparing posting on AFF to delivering a message to thousands at BOTT, which thousands more will see via DVDs?

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If he still gets offers, then I guess people have less of a problem with him than we do, who weren't present in the audience to see how we felt about the delivery. Video clips are not the same as being present.

Offers wouldn't necessarily mean people didn't have an issue with him; just means the one's in charge, writing the checks, don't have an issue with him.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Doesn't lessen the offense of the remark. If JA looked at some preacher on the platform and said, "please don't be offended, but good grief, you're a fat slob." You think the preacher would be less offended just because of the prefaced, "please don't be offended?" And if JA is telling the truth, and this preacher is a fat slob, does that lessen the offense because it's true?

I personally feel he was addressing Maxwell's quote and not the minister who quoted him. That is why he could say, "I know that quote came from Maxwell...whoever it is, don't get offended."

IOW, he is saying, "Don't get offended when I comment on Maxwell's words you quoted."

Are you comparing posting on AFF to delivering a message to thousands at BOTT, which thousands more will see via DVDs?

I am saying, as this scripture doesn't change even when engaging in a conversation or debate about another person's actions - "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:2 (NIV)

Offers wouldn't necessarily mean people didn't have an issue with him; just means the one's in charge, writing the checks, don't have an issue with him.

They certainly are not going to write a check to someone who no one wants to hear speak.