End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Note the verses where 1249 is used for 'servant:
Romans 13:4; Romans 15:8; Romans 16:1 1 Corinthians 3:5 2 Corinthians 3:6; 2 Corinthians 6:4; 2 Corinthians 11:15; 2 Corinthians 11:23 Ephesians 3:7; Ephesians 6:21 Colossians 1:7; Colossians 1:23; Colossians 1:25; Colossians 4:7 1 Timothy 3:8; 1 Timothy 3:12; 1 Timothy 4:6

Except for Phoebe, these other verses refer to men, including Paul several times.

Servant doesn't mean tablewaiter or maid, dishwasher or launderer. This word was used to describe Phoebe's relationship to a certain church, and that same word is used to describe many men, including Paul, and their relationships to their churches.

Well, here we go again - same ol' arguments that have been addressed over & over & over .


Here is the actual definition of the noun translated "servant":

Original Word: διάκονος, οῦ, ὁ, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: diakonos
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ak'-on-os)
Short Definition: a waiter, servant, administrator
Definition: a waiter, servant; then of any one who performs any service, an administrator.



Still not convinced - Hmmm, let's try another lexical source then:


2. a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use (cf. BB. DD., Dict. of Christ. Antiq., Schaff-Herzog under the word ; Lightfoot's Commentary on Philippians, dissert. i. § i.; Julius Muller, Dogmatische Abhandlungen, p. 560ff): Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8, 12, cf. Acts 6:3ff; ἡ διάκονος, a deaconess (ministra, Pliny, epistles 10, 97), a woman to whom the care of either poor or sick women was entrusted, Romans 16:1 (cf. Dictionaries as above, under the word ; Lightfoot as above, p. 191; B. D. under the word ).



Your logic is the same that says, "Since most police officers wear dark-colored shirts - everyone who wears a dark shirt must be a police officer!"


Sorry - This dodge won't work either gals - Next?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by rdp

Well, here we go again - same ol' arguments that have been addressed over & over & over .


Here is the actual definition of the noun translated "servant":

Original Word: διάκονος, οῦ, ὁ, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: diakonos
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ak'-on-os)
Short Definition: a waiter, servant, administrator
Definition: a waiter, servant; then of any one who performs any service, an administrator.



Still not convinced - Hmmm, let's try another lexical source then:


2. a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use (cf. BB. DD., Dict. of Christ. Antiq., Schaff-Herzog under the word ; Lightfoot's Commentary on Philippians, dissert. i. § i.; Julius Muller, Dogmatische Abhandlungen, p. 560ff): Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8, 12, cf. Acts 6:3ff; ἡ διάκονος, a deaconess (ministra, Pliny, epistles 10, 97), a woman to whom the care of either poor or sick women was entrusted, Romans 16:1 (cf. Dictionaries as above, under the word ; Lightfoot as above, p. 191; B. D. under the word ).



Your logic is the same that says, "Since most police officers wear dark-colored shirts - everyone who wears a dark shirt must be a police officer!"


Sorry - This dodge won't work either gals - Next?

Why all these big letters and colours.
Do you think we are blind?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Why all these big letters and colours.
Do you think we are blind?

Apparently so !

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Well, here we go again - same ol' arguments that have been addressed over & over & over .


Here is the actual definition of the noun translated "servant":

Original Word: διάκονος, οῦ, ὁ, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: diakonos
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-ak'-on-os)
Short Definition: a waiter, servant, administrator
Definition: a waiter, servant; then of any one who performs any service, an administrator.



Still not convinced - Hmmm, let's try another lexical source then:


2. a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use (cf. BB. DD., Dict. of Christ. Antiq., Schaff-Herzog under the word ; Lightfoot's Commentary on Philippians, dissert. i. § i.; Julius Muller, Dogmatische Abhandlungen, p. 560ff): Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8, 12, cf. Acts 6:3ff; ἡ διάκονος, a deaconess (ministra, Pliny, epistles 10, 97), a woman to whom the care of either poor or sick women was entrusted, Romans 16:1 (cf. Dictionaries as above, under the word ; Lightfoot as above, p. 191; B. D. under the word ).



Your logic is the same that says, "Since most police officers wear dark-colored shirts - everyone who wears a dark shirt must be a police officer!"


Sorry - This dodge won't work either gals - Next?

Did you even read those verses? Most of them described Paul being a servant and Jesus as well. Were they waiters???

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Did you even read those verses? Most of them described Paul being a servant and Jesus as well. Were they waiters???

Ummm, did you even read the passages Pliny posted to you - were the examples he listed preachers in the 5-fold ministry ?



And, once again (as usual), no textual response to the evidences we've offered - just mere denial with nothing to support the same !



It's a plumb-silly argument .

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Ummm, did you even read the passages Pliny posted to you - were the examples he listed preachers in the 5-fold ministry ?



And, once again (as usual), no textual response to the evidences we've offered - just mere denial with nothing to support the same !



It's a plumb-silly argument .

Where did the term '5 fold ministry' come from? Do you think only those listed by Paul are able to 'preach'? Since I don't believe that, then your post makes no sense to what the scriptures are really saying. I don't believe in a '5 fold ministry'.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Where did the term '5 fold ministry' come from? Do you think only those listed by Paul are able to 'preach'? Since I don't believe that, then your post makes no sense to what the scriptures are really saying. I don't believe in a '5 fold ministry'.

Well of course you don't "believe in a 5-fold ministry" - it's biblical - & you don't believe the Bible (or else you wouldn't be defending "women-preachers") .



Hmmm, let's count together now shall we?


11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles (1), some prophets (2), some evangelists (3), and some pastors (4) and teachers (5), 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, for the edifying of the body of Christ.




Lemme' guess - another "mistranslation" - Right ?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Well of course you don't "believe in a 5-fold ministry" - it's biblical - & you don't believe the Bible (or else you wouldn't be defending "women-preachers") .



Hmmm, let's count together now shall we?


11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles (1), some prophets (2), some evangelists (3), and some pastors (4) and teachers (5), 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, for the edifying of the body of Christ.




Lemme' guess - another "mistranslation" - Right ?

You misunderstand. You seem to be saying that ministry is limited to those five offices. Is that correct? I'm saying that I don't believe that's all ministry is about. The Bible doesn't say that either.

[justlookin]

God started with Adam, a man and man is the head of the woman. Why make it complicated.

Men, stay in your place, women stay in your place.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You misunderstand. You seem to be saying that ministry is limited to those five offices. Is that correct? I'm saying that I don't believe that's all ministry is about. The Bible doesn't say that either.

Actually, it is YOU who "misunderstand" (but, take heart, you are not alone !).


The 5-fold ministry is specifically for "the equipping of the saints" (kinda' missed that point eh'?) - which is the job of the preacher in the church .