Random Revival Rhetoric

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

There is no place called "Purgatory".

well ok, i agree; but there arguably is no place called heaven, or hell, either. funny tho, the 'purgatory' thing is what most bothered me by the story at the time; and yet we have ample evidence for 'levels' of heaven and hell in Scripture, that run counter to our intuited, childish perceptions of them, and so in a sense 'force' a need for a purgatory, if that makes any sense?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well ok, i agree; but there arguably is no place called heaven, or hell, either. funny tho, the 'purgatory' thing is what most bothered me by the story at the time; and yet we have ample evidence for 'levels' of heaven and hell in Scripture, that run counter to our intuited, childish perceptions of them, and so in a sense 'force' a need for a purgatory, if that makes any sense?

Purgatory makes you feel better that you have some time left to get your act together after you die. At least that was my perspective as a Catholic - pass me another beer, please.

Mentions in the Bible:

Heaven - 550

Hell - 54

Purgatory - 0

[shazeep]

Amen.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Purgatory makes you feel better that you have some time left to get your act together after you die. At least that was my perspective as a Catholic - pass me another beer, please.

Mentions in the Bible:

Heaven - 550

Hell - 54

Purgatory - 0

sure, i agree--but understand my point there is that we have a very black/white view of heaven/hell that seems engendered by Scripture in some spots, and refuted in others; so Purgatory becomes possibly an effective device, if nothing else?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Amen.
sure, i agree--but understand my point there is that we have a very black/white view of heaven/hell that seems engendered by Scripture in some spots, and refuted in others; so Purgatory becomes possibly an effective device, if nothing else?

I think you are on the wrong thread with this post. :-)

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Purgatory makes you feel better that you have some time left to get your act together after you die. At least that was my perspective as a Catholic - pass me another beer, please.

Mentions in the Bible:

Heaven - 550

Hell - 54

Purgatory - 0

Misleading, the mentions of "Hell" includes references to the grave, Gehenna, and the place of the unseen.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Misleading, the mentions of "Hell" includes references to the grave, Gehenna, and the place of the unseen.

Just focusing on the terms used in the NT, I don’t see a difference in the meanings:

Geena/Gehenna – 12
Hades – 10
Tartaroo – 1

Tartaroo (II Peter 2:4) means to “incarcerate in eternal torment”, which corresponds to the meaning of Geena/Gehenna – “everlasting punishment”.

Hades is termed the “grave”, but then we find the rich man (Luke 16:19-24) in the “grave” wanting water to cool his tongue because he is tormented in flames.