End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[shazeep]

gee, i wonder why the church is in so much disarray...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by shazeep

gee, i wonder why the church is in so much disarray...

Because people stubbornly refuse to believe the Scriptures:


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.


Still there !

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by rdp

Because people stubbornly refuse to believe the Scriptures:


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.


Still there !

yes, and still just as validly translatable

"I do not permit a woman to lecture to or lord it over a man; she must be meek."



(of course i mean "to anyone with a smidgen of discernment." )

[rdp]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, and still just as validly translatable

"I do not permit a woman to lecture to or lord it over a man; she must be meek."



(of course i mean "to anyone with a smidgen of discernment." )

Say Whatttt ??


LOL - Umm, no, this is not a "valid translation" (not even with your esoterical "discernment" ):


New International Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

New Living Translation
I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.

English Standard Version
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

New American Standard Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

King James Bible
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
I do not allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; instead, she is to be silent.

NET Bible
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For I do not allow a woman to teach, neither to usurp over a man, but she should be quiet;

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I don't allow a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. Instead, she should be quiet.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a mature man, but to be at rest.

King James 2000 Bible
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have authority over the man, but to be in silence.

American Standard Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Darby Bible Translation
but I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness;

English Revised Version
But I permit not a woman to teach, nor to have dominion over a man, but to be in quietness.

Webster's Bible Translation
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Weymouth New Testament
I do not permit a woman to teach, nor have authority over a man, but she must remain silent.

World English Bible
But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness.



Surely each of these linguists should have consulted the AFF crew prior to making their renderings !

[shazeep]

ty, Aquila...

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"]Because people stubbornly refuse to believe the Scriptures:
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

i would say that you (and the other R) have learned the accepted definitions of each word in the Scriptures admirably well; kudos. Now you might do your congregations a favor (i would say "us a favor," but your literal pov has made the truth clear to us; and it is different for each of us, surely); Try accepting the meaning of the entire verse, even using your definitions; feel what the verse is saying. Even just starting at the first sentence in v 11, that the women were not learning in quietness and full submission--which, after all, is only what any teacher might expect from any listener--sets a tone, and provides a context for v 12, which may be interpreted "You came here to learn; but you are interruptive, aggressive, and belligerent in class. Be quiet.

Now sure, one might also don their short, blocky mustache, or place their index finger horizontally under their nose in my opinion and decipher a stricter standard, which is their perfect right. You know it's a man's world, however--heck, that should reveal some meaning right there, as i bet no female scholars, or very few, were involved with any translations--and no respecter of persons might even have some app here. But an at least inarguable pov might laugh at this absolute silence in church stuff, wherein one must ignore too much other Scripture to make fit. Imo.

Exo 38:8
"Bezalel made the bronze washbasin and its bronze stand from bronze mirrors donated by the women who served at the entrance of the Tabernacle."
you know this is not about actual mirrors and washbasins, right?

Gen 24:11
"And he made the camels kneel down outside the city by the well of water at the time of evening, the time when women go out to draw water."
know what camels rep? and water? you don't imagine that God used His Word to discuss watering livestock, really now, do you?

Exo 1:19
"The midwives said to Pharaoh, 'Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women, for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife comes to them.' "
a sublime reflection

'When I break your staff of bread, ten women will bake your bread in one oven, and they will bring back your bread in rationed amounts, so that you will eat and not be satisfied.

you must know what eating and bread symbolize, and even, in defiance of any would-be Bible Nazis out there,

"Go and assemble all the Jews who can be found in Susa and fast for me. Don't eat or drink for three days, day or night. I and my female servants will also fast in the same way. After that, I will go to the king even if it is against the law. If I perish, I perish."

how much clearer can women pastoring in a time of spiritual famine be for you, please tell me.