End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Roxanne Murphy]

Originally Posted by RJR

Does not change the specific command are not permitted to speak in the church. Cannot exercise authority over the man, ask husband at home, learn with silence with all subjection.

Yes my friend, read your own passage that you keep referencing. It says THE MAN, one particular individual, her head. Now unless you have decided that it is okay for you to make a plural out of a singular (as you undoubtedly diss trinitarians for doing the same with the Godhead), you are simply deficit in basic knowledge of one as opposed to a group.

The woman is not to usurp authority over the man, and 1 Corinthians 11 tells us that this man is her husband. When Paul told the same Corinthian church this (Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV) three chapters later, he was again referencing the marriage relationship. The law never commanded all women to be subject to all men; it commanded the woman to be in obedience to her head (husband if married, her father if she was unmarried).

Also, according to the law of Moses, only one man had the authority to validate or nullify a woman's vow: husband if married and father if unmarried.

If a woman also vow a vow unto the Lord, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father's house in her youth; And her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand. But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the Lord shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her. And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul; And her husband heard it, and held his peace at her in the day that he heard it: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand. But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the Lord shall forgive her. But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her. Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void. These are the statutes, which the Lord commanded Moses, between a man and his wife, between the father and his daughter, being yet in her youth in her father's house. (Numbers 30:3-9, 13, 16 KJV)

Take note, according to the law: only a husband or father is acknowledges as head over a woman. Not a priest, not even the high priest. And for a divorced or widowed woman, she did not have a man as head over her, she was on her own. (This completely destroys the crazy things I have heard at times from preachers who tell single women in their churches that the pastor is their spiritual head, and even more damaging, the preachers who tell women with unsaved husbands that they should obey their pastor rather than their husbands, especially when it comes to something like tithing/money or participation in a church activity)

You really should read your entire Bible. You would learn a lot, but then again, it might mess up your preconceived theologies.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Roxanne Murphy

Yes my friend, read your own passage that you keep referencing. It says THE MAN, one particular individual, her head. Now unless you have decided that it is okay for you to make a plural out of a singular (as you undoubtedly diss trinitarians for doing the same with the Godhead), you are simply deficit in basic knowledge of one as opposed to a group.

The woman is not to usurp authority over the man, and 1 Corinthians 11 tells us that this man is her husband. When Paul told the same Corinthian church this (Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV) three chapters later, he was again referencing the marriage relationship. The law never commanded all women to be subject to all men; it commanded the woman to be in obedience to her head (husband if married, her father if she was unmarried).

Also, according to the law of Moses, only one man had the authority to validate or nullify a woman's vow: husband if married and father if unmarried.

If a woman also vow a vow unto the Lord, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father's house in her youth; And her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand. But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the Lord shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her. And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul; And her husband heard it, and held his peace at her in the day that he heard it: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand. But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the Lord shall forgive her. But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her. Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void. These are the statutes, which the Lord commanded Moses, between a man and his wife, between the father and his daughter, being yet in her youth in her father's house. (Numbers 30:3-9, 13, 16 KJV)

Take note, according to the law: only a husband or father is acknowledges as head over a woman. Not a priest, not even the high priest. And for a divorced or widowed woman, she did not have a man as head over her, she was on her own. (This completely destroys the crazy things I have heard at times from preachers who tell single women in their churches that the pastor is their spiritual head, and even more damaging, the preachers who tell women with unsaved husbands that they should obey their pastor rather than their husbands, especially when it comes to something like tithing/money or participation in a church activity)

You really should read your entire Bible. You would learn a lot, but then again, it might mess up your preconceived theologies.

So according to Roxanne, THE woman cannot speak in the home according to 1 Tim 2. She must learn in silence with all subjection, no questions to be asked as at home according to Roxannes position of 1 Tim 2:12, even though she is instructed to ask her husband at home, 1 Cor 14:35.

Where is she commanded to be in silence specifically? In the home...NO! She is specifically commanded to be in silence IN THE CHURCH, for it is NOT PERMITTED for her to speak, for it is a shame. I am sorry Roxanne, you cannot get around the specific injunctions in these passages.

Robertson's Word Studies, says of 1 Tim 2:12 that even though in modern times women teaches Sunday School classes, she is not permitted to speak "in a public meeting." It is amazing that Vincent's, Robertson's and many others when giving Word studies on 1 Tim 2:12 parallel it to 1 Cor. 14:35.

Roxanne, it was Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus' teachings that God chose to build His church upon, not a woman among them. Not one woman among all the OT priesthood. Not one instruction as to the qualifications of a female deacon or bishop. Deborah and Huldah was not involved in tabernacle or temple priesthood.

I could not agree more that a woman is under her head, her husband. She is not to exercise authority over him. I know a single girl at home is also under her father. However, to imply that both husband and wife do not have anyone over them is to deny Heb. 13:7, 13, 24. 1 Thes. 5:12, 1 Tim 5:17, 1 Pet 5:2, Acts 20:28. By the way, a woman would not qualify for any of these offices that are given the oversight. According to your position, a woman cannot exercise authority over her husband but she could someone else's husband. How consistent!?

I would recommend you read the entire Bible it would really inform you, but will contradict your preconceived ideas.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by RJR

So according to Roxanne, THE woman cannot speak in the home according to 1 Tim 2. She must learn in silence with all subjection, no questions to be asked as at home according to Roxannes position of 1 Tim 2:12, even though she is instructed to ask her husband at home, 1 Cor 14:35.

Where is she commanded to be in silence specifically? In the home...NO! She is specifically commanded to be in silence IN THE CHURCH, for it is NOT PERMITTED for her to speak, for it is a shame. I am sorry Roxanne, you cannot get around the specific injunctions in these passages.

Robertson's Word Studies, says of 1 Tim 2:12 that even though in modern times women teaches Sunday School classes, she is not permitted to speak "in a public meeting." It is amazing that Vincent's, Robertson's and many others when giving Word studies on 1 Tim 2:12 parallel it to 1 Cor. 14:35.

Roxanne, it was Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus' teachings that God chose to build His church upon, not a woman among them. Not one woman among all the OT priesthood. Not one instruction as to the qualifications of a female deacon or bishop. Deborah and Huldah was not involved in tabernacle or temple priesthood.

I could not agree more that a woman is under her head, her husband. She is not to exercise authority over him. I know a single girl at home is also under her father. However, to imply that both husband and wife do not have anyone over them is to deny Heb. 13:7, 13, 24. 1 Thes. 5:12, 1 Tim 5:17, 1 Pet 5:2, Acts 20:28. By the way, a woman would not qualify for any of these offices that are given the oversight. According to your position, a woman cannot exercise authority over her husband but she could someone else's husband. How consistent!?

I would recommend you read the entire Bible it would really inform you, but will contradict your preconceived ideas.