End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

In 1 Cor 14 everyone could prophesy, but obviously there was a dileniation between prophesy and the speaking of 1 Cor 14:34-35. Which is glaring, in the fact, that there has to be a difference between prophesy and PREACHING, must I add, that the word for speak is translated preach or one of its cognates 6 times in scripture.

So? Its translated as a different word about 200 other times. Not sure what you think the point is because a word mentioned over 200 times just so happens to be translated as preach a mere 6 times elsewhere in scripture. Big deal. Its NOT translated as preach in the scriptures you keep posting.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

So? Its translated as a different word about 200 other times. Not sure what you think the point is because a word mentioned over 200 times just so happens to be translated as preach a mere 6 times elsewhere in scripture. Big deal. Its NOT translated as preach in the scriptures you keep posting.

In light of the fact that woman could witness as empowered by the HG, she could prophesy and pray in the church, she could sing psalms, have an interpretation, speak in tongues, have a revelation. Yet, in verses 34-35 there was a certain kind of speaking she could NOT do in the church, comparing that to 1 Tim 2, would you mind giving an educated guess as to what type of speaking by a woman was prohibited in the church? Keep in mind, the glaring and undeniable precedent established, by the facts, no female priest in temple or tabernacle, no qualifications for a female bishop or deacon, no female apostle chosen by Christ, and coupled with the fact of the definitions of the words as well as their usage, leaves little room for your conclusions, eh?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

In light of the fact that woman could witness as empowered by the HG, she could prophesy and pray in the church, she could sing psalms, have an interpretation, speak in tongues, have a revelation. Yet, in verses 34-35 there was a certain kind of speaking she could NOT do in the church, comparing that to 1 Tim 2, would you mind giving an educated guess as to what type of speaking by a woman was prohibited in the church? Keep in mind, the glaring and undeniable precedent established, by the facts, no female priest in temple or tabernacle, no qualifications for a female bishop or deacon, no female apostle chosen by Christ, and coupled with the fact of the definitions of the words as well as their usage, leaves little room for your conclusions, eh?

This is exactly how errors in doctrine occur. Take an instance here, pull a definition from there, use an example over there, stir it up with lack of mention and VOILA!! You have serpent seed doctrine, snake handling doctrine, and no Jesus name baptism doctrine.

You also excuse women to do things that are also not mentioned in scripture with specifics you claim are lacking when it comes to women preaching. You say they can witness but I don't see where a woman in scripture ever did that. You said they can prophesy but I don't see a woman prophesying in the NT.

You can have it both ways. If you just stick to what scripture says and not add your own interpretation to it, you can't go wrong.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

This is exactly how errors in doctrine occur. Take an instance here, pull a definition from there, use an example over there, stir it up with lack of mention and VOILA!! You have serpent seed doctrine, snake handling doctrine, and no Jesus name baptism doctrine.

You also excuse women to do things that are also not mentioned in scripture with specifics you claim are lacking when it comes to women preaching. You say they can witness but I don't see where a woman in scripture ever did that. You said they can prophesy but I don't see a woman prophesying in the NT.

You can have it both ways. If you just stick to what scripture says and not add your own interpretation to it, you can't go wrong.

Sasha, I want to know before I proceed, are you saying that a woman witnessing and prophesying is the same as serpent seed doctrine and "no Jesus name doctrine?"

I can produce the passages where women were told they would witness and prophesy, can you produce one where a woman was told to PREACH? You give your verses and then I will produce mine.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by RJR

Sasha, I want to know before I proceed, are you saying that a woman witnessing and prophesying is the same as serpent seed doctrine and "no Jesus name doctrine?"

I can produce the passages where women were told they would witness and prophesy, can you produce one where a woman was told to PREACH? You give your verses and then I will produce mine.

You can't produce one that explicitly says, "Women shalt not preach". There is not one that says "women, thou shalt preach". Therefore, this whole argument is moot.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

You can't produce one that explicitly says, "Women shalt not preach". There is not one that says "women, thou shalt preach". Therefore, this whole argument is moot.

Pardon me, I didn't know you were Sasha.

Yes, 1 Cor 14:34-35 and 1 Tim. 2:12 says exactly what you say it does not say, it expressly forbids a woman to preach.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by RJR

Pardon me, I didn't know you were Sasha.

Yes, 1 Cor 14:34-35 and 1 Tim. 2:12 says exactly what you say it does not say, it expressly forbids a woman to preach.

Not according to the NET Bible, it doesn't.

From the NET notes on 1 Tim. 2:12... https://net.bible.org/#!bible/1+Timothy+2

1 Tim. 2:12 But I do not allow. Although the Greek conjunction δέ (de) can have a simple connective force (“and”), it is best to take it as contrastive here: Verse 11 gives a positive statement (that is to say, that a woman should learn). This was a radical and liberating departure from the Jewish view that women were not to learn the law

exercise authority 20 over a man: According to BDAG 150 s.v. αὐθεντέω this Greek verb means “to assume a stance of independent authority, give orders to, dictate to” (cf. JB “tell a man what to do”).

Grk “but to be in quietness.” The phrase ἐν ἡσυχίᾳ (en Jhsucia) is used in Greek literature either of absolute silence or of a quiet demeanor.

You guys are just picking and choosing a translation that says what you want it to say. To your own detriment, the NET Bible had RDP's hero, Daniel Wallace, working with the translation. Why doesn't it say what RDP wants it to say?

It says, Women can learn, not "women can't preach".... !

Hmm....

the word "teach" according to the Net:
διδασκο(1321)
Pronunciation: did-as'-ko
Origin: a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn)
Reference: TDNT - 2:135,161
Part of Speech: v
In Greek: διδασκε 2, διδασκει 3, διδασκειν 13, διδασκεις 7, διδασκη 1, διδασκοντες 9, διδασκοντι 1, διδασκοντος 1, διδασκω 1, διδασκων 23, διδαξαι 3, διδαξει 2, διδαξη 2, διδαξον 1, διδαξωσιν 1, εδιδαχθην 1, εδιδαχθησαν 1, εδιδαχθητε 3, εδιδασκεν 14, εδιδασκον 2, εδιδαξα 1, εδιδαξαν 1, εδιδαξας 1, εδιδαξεν 3
In NET: teaching 20, taught 13, teach 12, to teach 10, began to teach 6, was teaching 4, teaches 3, will teach 2, while teaching 2, he taught 2, while was teaching 2, by teaching 2, he began to teach 1, do you teach 1, he was teaching 1, I teach 1, Teach 1, While was teaching 1, Does teach 1, began teaching 1, you teach 1, were taught 1, were teaching 1, who teaches 1, will be need to teach 1, they were instructed 1, you taught 1, it has taught 1, learn 1, you were taught 1, instructed 1
Count: 97
Definition: 1) to teach 1a) to hold discourse with others in order to instruct them, deliver didactic discourses 1b) to be a teacher 1c) to discharge the office of a teacher, conduct one's self as a teacher 2) to teach one 2a) to impart instruction 2b) instill doctrine into one 2c) the thing taught or enjoined 2d) to explain or expound a thing 2f) to teach one something
a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application):-teach.


NOPE, NOT THERE.... This scripture does NOT say that a woman cannot preach!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RJR

Pardon me, I didn't know you were Sasha.

Yes, 1 Cor 14:34-35 and 1 Tim. 2:12 says exactly what you say it does not say, it expressly forbids a woman to preach.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

Sasha, I want to know before I proceed, are you saying that a woman witnessing and prophesying is the same as serpent seed doctrine and "no Jesus name doctrine?"

No.

I can produce the passages where women were told they would witness and prophesy, can you produce one where a woman was told to PREACH? You give your verses and then I will produce mine.

Show me a verse where a woman prophesied in the NT. Not that they would. But that they DID.

Not that I personally care, since I'm not the one who has to see it specifically in scripture to believe that it pertains to me and my children. YOU are the one wanting specifics.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

No.



Show me a verse where a woman prophesied in the NT. Not that they would. But that they DID.

Not that I personally care, since I'm not the one who has to see it specifically in scripture to believe that it pertains to me and my children. YOU are the one wanting specifics.

As to your answer to the first question, good!

As to your first question in this post, Paul was addressing the proper approach to prophecy, in this passage he is bringing order to something they are doing, prayeth and prohesieth. Notice also verse 13, Paul was not asking if it in some future time would be comely, he was asking was it comely for them to presently pray uncovered. Here is the passage.

1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1Co 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

Also, I am not going to let you by with this last comment you made above.

Originally Posted by Sasha

Not that I personally care, since I'm not the one who has to see it specifically in scripture to believe that it pertains to me and my children. YOU are the one wanting specifics.

You are the one who brought specifics into the discussion, remember this post?

Originally Posted by Sasha

This is exactly how errors in doctrine occur. Take an instance here, pull a definition from there, use an example over there, stir it up with lack of mention and VOILA!! You have serpent seed doctrine, snake handling doctrine, and no Jesus name baptism doctrine.

You also excuse women to do things that are also not mentioned in scripture with specifics you claim are lacking when it comes to women preaching. You say they can witness but I don't see where a woman in scripture ever did that. You said they can prophesy but I don't see a woman prophesying in the NT.

You can have it both ways. If you just stick to what scripture says and not add your own interpretation to it, you can't go wrong.