End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

Acts 21:9: And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. Here we have a quartet of gospel women, who while living out their lives among heathen neighbors continued doing God’s will.
Notice these “girls” were in the company of Paul who said in 1 Corinthians 14:34,35: “women keep silence in the church.” Along with their father Philip, they were prophetesses. Do you think Paul said girls, don’t prophecy; it is not permitted for you to speak? Of course not!
To prophesy is to preach according to Webster (National Dictionary of English Language P. F. Collier & Son, New York 1937). Prophetess “female preacher” (Young’s Analytical Concordance pg. 781).
Some are quick to say they prophesied only in homes, and not in church, but Ephesians 4:12 says, “Even so ye, for as much as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.”
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[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Acts 21:9: And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy. Here we have a quartet of gospel women, who while living out their lives among heathen neighbors continued doing God’s will.
Notice these “girls” were in the company of Paul who said in 1 Corinthians 14:34,35: “women keep silence in the church.” Along with their father Philip, they were prophetesses. Do you think Paul said girls, don’t prophecy; it is not permitted for you to speak? Of course not!
To prophesy is to preach according to Webster (National Dictionary of English Language P. F. Collier & Son, New York 1937). Prophetess “female preacher” (Young’s Analytical Concordance pg. 781).
Some are quick to say they prophesied only in homes, and not in church, but Ephesians 4:12 says, “Even so ye, for as much as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.”
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This is arguing with a straw man, and a assertion made under a false pretense. NO ONE has said it is a shame for a woman to prophesy. It is a shame for a woman to preach. Here let's use your source, Strongs.

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

laleō

lal-eh'-o

A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, that is, utter words: - preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare G3004.

Yes ma'am, same word used in these passages.

preached, 4

Mark 2:2, Act 8:25, Acts 13:42, Acts 14:25

preach, 1

Acts 16:6

preaching, 1

Acts 11:19

[RJR]

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

G1321 (Thayer)

διδάσκω

didaskō

Thayer Definition:

1) to teach

1a) to hold discourse with others in order to instruct them, deliver didactic discourses

1b) to be a teacher

1c) to discharge the office of a teacher, conduct one’s self as a teacher

2) to teach one

2a) to impart instruction

2b) instill doctrine into one

2c) the thing taught or enjoined

2d) to explain or expound a thing

2f) to teach one something

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn)

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

G1321 (Thayer)

διδάσκω

didaskō

Thayer Definition:

1) to teach

1a) to hold discourse with others in order to instruct them, deliver didactic discourses

1b) to be a teacher

1c) to discharge the office of a teacher, conduct one’s self as a teacher

2) to teach one

2a) to impart instruction

2b) instill doctrine into one

2c) the thing taught or enjoined

2d) to explain or expound a thing

2f) to teach one something

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn)

Are you married? If so, is your wife forbidden from teaching you anything? Do you really think that verse is saying that?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Are you married? If so, is your wife forbidden from teaching you anything? Do you really think that verse is saying that?

No, I do not think the verse is saying that. Sis Alvear has said 1 Tim 2 is concerning a husband and wife in the home. I think 1 Tim 2:11-12 has the same prohibition in mind as 1Cor 14:34-35. Where have you been this entire discussion, the post you reference is actually pointing to the absurdity of her position?!

[rdp]

LOL - She's still at it - copying/pasting the same ol' error that's been textually, exegetically, hermeneutically, & syntactically refuted over & over & over & over & over & over !



No, biblical "prophecy" has never been - nor will it ever be - "preaching-teaching" from the Scriptures....& we have posted the lexical data on this verb for years to her . She simply has her heels dug in so she can protect her personal interests (as others have pointed out).


And, wonder if she'll accept good ol' Young's translation of Eccl. 12.1: "Remember your CREATORS...."? Tell us Sis., do you believe in more than one "Creator" - Or do you only cherry-pick what suits your "theology" from Young (see why hardly ANYONE references him anymore in academia?)?




It's all just so silly - & sad.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RJR

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

G1321 (Thayer)

διδάσκω

didaskō

Thayer Definition:

1) to teach

1a) to hold discourse with others in order to instruct them, deliver didactic discourses

1b) to be a teacher

1c) to discharge the office of a teacher, conduct one’s self as a teacher

2) to teach one

2a) to impart instruction

2b) instill doctrine into one

2c) the thing taught or enjoined

2d) to explain or expound a thing

2f) to teach one something

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn)

Exactly, not to mention that the Greek verb translated as "teach" virtually always specifically defines as "to exposit from the Scriptures" in the NT (over 220 times).



This is specifically what women are prohibited to do in the church - & she has been shown this (even with the exact links & lexical sources) over & over & over ad nauseum infinitum.....Mind-boggling !

[RJR]

Originally Posted by rdp

Exactly, not to mention that the Greek verb translated as "teach" virtually always specifically defines as "to exposit from the Scriptures" in the NT (over 220 times).



This is specifically what women are prohibited to do in the church - & she has been shown this (even with the exact links & lexical sources) over & over & over ad nauseum infinitum.....Mind-boggling !

The amusing thing is they want to say a woman cannot have didactic discourse, as in imparting instruction with her husband at home, but the same woman is free to instruct someone else's husband at church. That is pitiful!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RJR

The amusing thing is they want to say a woman cannot have didactic discourse, as I'm imparting instruction with her husband at home, but the same woman is free to instruct someone else's husband at church. That is pitiful!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by RJR

This is arguing with a straw man, and a assertion made under a false pretense. NO ONE has said it is a shame for a woman to prophesy. It is a shame for a woman to preach. Here let's use your source, Strongs.

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

laleō

lal-eh'-o

A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk, that is, utter words: - preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare G3004.

Yes ma'am, same word used in these passages.

preached, 4

Mark 2:2, Act 8:25, Acts 13:42, Acts 14:25

preach, 1

Acts 16:6

preaching, 1

Acts 11:19

Oh, I am just certain that the 100th time to show her this will cause her to be honest with the data & acknowledge her error in this area - I mean, who could possibly deny (without an agenda that is) almost 250 pp. of textual & grammatical facts ?


It's unreal - but sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo predictable .