Can A Spirit-Filled Believer Have A Demon?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by TyronePalmer

I don't agree with POSESSION either, but if you watch Derek's message he goes into detail and explains the difference between, 'posession', and 'having a demon in the flesh', or being 'demonized'.

No Christian can be indwelt by a demon. If a person is saved they belong to God spirit soul and body. God is not going to cohabitate with a demon.

1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Luke

No Christian can be indwelt by a demon. If a person is saved they belong to God spirit soul and body. God is not going to cohabitate with a demon.

1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Exactly your BODY is the temple of the Holy Ghost.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Luke

No Christian can be indwelt by a demon. If a person is saved they belong to God spirit soul and body. God is not going to cohabitate with a demon.

1Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Exactly your BODY is the temple of the Holy Ghost. However if one GIVES PLACE to the devil he will move in as God moves out.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I guess it depends if the "believer" is truly saved to begin with.

Not even the most liberal baptist would suggest that a person is saved because they believe their head knowledge.

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Exactly your BODY is the temple of the Holy Ghost. However if one GIVES PLACE to the devil he will move in as God moves out.

The scriptures tell us clearly that Paul had a thorn IN his flesh a messenger of Satan, (a demon) that buffeted or afflicted him, causing him pain, which is why he pleaded with the Lord three times to take it away from him.

2nd Corinthians 12:7-9

"And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

Yes the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, but the body still needs to be sanctified or made holy, AFTER the Spirit of God comes to indwell us, and the soul needs to be washed, this is called the process of sanctification.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TyronePalmer

The scriptures tell us clearly that Paul had a thorn IN his flesh a messenger of Satan, (a demon) that buffeted or afflicted him, causing him pain, which is why he pleaded with the Lord three times to take it away from him.

2nd Corinthians 12:7-9

"And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

Yes the body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, but the body still needs to be sanctified or made holy, AFTER the Spirit of God comes to indwell us, and the soul needs to be washed, this is called the process of sanctification.

So my friend and Brother,

Do you believe Paul actually had a demon in his flesh? Are you sure that was not meant as a figure of speech? Was Paul himself so unsanctified he allowed a demon into his life? Is that what you are saying?

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So my friend and Brother,

Do you believe Paul actually had a demon in his flesh? Are you sure that was not meant as a figure of speech? Was Paul himself so unsanctified he allowed a demon into his life? Is that what you are saying?

Brother Mike, I'm not saying anything! I quoted the scriptures that says it all! Paul said it plainly himself, 'there was given me a thorn IN the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me'.

I do believe what the scriptures say and I do believe that Paul knew what he received in his flesh because he asked the Lord THREE TIMES to take it away from him!

[Esther]

Originally Posted by TyronePalmer

Brother Mike, I'm not saying anything! I quoted the scriptures that says it all! Paul said it plainly himself, 'there was given me a thorn IN the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me'.

I do believe what the scriptures say and I do believe that Paul knew what he received in his flesh because he asked the Lord THREE TIMES to take it away from him!

Some believe that he had a physical health issue. No way did he have a demon. They would have run for cover, just as the one that followed him around found out, and then they wanted his head for taking away their income the woman had provided.

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by Esther

Some believe that he had a physical health issue. No way did he have a demon. They would have run for cover, just as the one that followed him around found out, and then they wanted his head for taking away their income the woman had provided.

So you don't believe the testimony of Paul recorded in 2nd Corinthians 12:7?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Esther

Some believe that he had a physical health issue. No way did he have a demon. They would have run for cover, just as the one that followed him around found out, and then they wanted his head for taking away their income the woman had provided.

Some have said it was relating to a physical health issue, yet the Bible never uses the thorn in the flesh as relating to sickness.

Note Number 33:55 - Moses speaking - "But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell."

The Canaanites were going to be the "thorns" in Israel's sides if they didn't drive them out.

Note Joshua 23:13 - "Know for a certainty that the Lord your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you."

Again, the troubling Canaanites are the "scourge" and the "thorns" to Israel.

Note 2 Samuel 23:6 - "6 But the sons of Belial shall be all of them as thorns thrust away, because they cannot be taken with hands:"

All of these references are relating to personalities and not sickness.

So, Paul is in effect saying that the "thorn" is an angel of Satan. He also explains what the angel came to do - "buffet" him.

Ananias was told by God in reference to Paul - "I will show him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake." It wasn't by sickness, but by persecution. He had been persecuted from place to place - that was the "thorn". Who wouldn't want some relief from that?

"Yea, and all that live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."

I Cor 4:11 "Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place."

If healing was part of his ministry, why would he remain sick? And who would have confidence that he could heal?