The Question No One Can Answer

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Burpo has and the movie opens Wednesday!!

Yeah, and the MONEY will roll in!!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Yeah, and the MONEY will roll in!!

It is a compelling story, I read the book over a year ago. A four year old, near death experience and found out that he had infant sister that died in the womb, says he meet her. No one had told him about her....??? Many similar things.

The money has already rolled in, over ten million books sold, Hannity is interviewing him tonight. Yep, it is gonna roll in, but that doesn't proof he is lying.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by crakjak

It is a compelling story, I read the book over a year ago. A four year old, near death experience and found out that he had infant sister that died in the womb, says he meet her. No one had told him about her....??? Many similar things.

The money has already rolled in, over ten million books sold, Hannity is interviewing him tonight. Yep, it is gonna roll in, but that doesn't proof he is lying.

If I can't prove what he is saying is true, then I believe it is a lie. People say a million things about realms beyond this one, especially when they are asleep having a dream.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

If I can't prove what he is saying is true, then I believe it is a lie. People say a million things about realms beyond this one, especially when they are asleep having a dream.

Well, if a four year old says things about his father and his great grandfather that he could not have known, he must have experienced what he says. A fourteen maybe, but a four year old??

There plenty I don't understand, and even if this is true, I'm not sure what the story means to us.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Well, if a four year old says things about his father and his great grandfather that he could not have known, he must have experienced what he says. A fourteen maybe, but a four year old??

There plenty I don't understand, and even if this is true, I'm not sure what the story means to us.

That's the problem, crakjak, people say things that are full of mystery and we immediately presume it means what we want it to mean.

Do you think children from other Religions have the same experience? If they do, then what?

This child's experience doesn't prove there is an afterlife anymore than someone having a dream that appears to "Connect the Dots" of the unknown.

Like I said in my original post, Religions have evolved into this dogma, the direct warning sign of a lie.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

That's the problem, crakjak, people say things that are full of mystery and we immediately presume it means what we want it to mean.

Do you think children from other Religions have the same experience? If they do, then what?

This child's experience doesn't prove there is an afterlife anymore than someone having a dream that appears to "Connect the Dots" of the unknown.

Like I said in my original post, Religions have evolved into this dogma, the direct warning sign of a lie.

I understand that neither the boy nor his parents nor anyone else, can necessarily interpret what the experience means. That's why we should be very humble in our opinions. Things that I believe very strongly, I continue to preface with, "I could be wrong." But as you know that position religiously is a sign of weakness!!! LOL
As I said, if you read the whole story it is very compelling. He was on Hannity last night, and Hannity was asking him theological questions and his answers were more from his religious training than from anything he learned from his "trip to heaven". So, while I believe he had some kind of experience that is hard to explain, his interpretation is very suspect.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Well, if a four year old says things about his father and his great grandfather that he could not have known, he must have experienced what he says. A fourteen maybe, but a four year old??

There plenty I don't understand, and even if this is true, I'm not sure what the story means to us.

IMO, the younger the age the more we should question. Children have a huge imagination and any number of things could cause this child to say what he did.

My kids were looking through our photo albums when they couldn't even walk, and pictures can plant inside the library of our mind, even at a young age.

I've had way too many people come to me with dreams/visions, thinking they meant something. Sorry, but I've resorted to other methods to conclude truth in my life.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

IMO, the younger the age the more we should question. Children have a huge imagination and any number of things could cause this child to say what he did.

My kids were looking through our photo albums when they couldn't even walk, and pictures can plant inside the library of our mind, even at a young age.

I've had way too many people come to me with dreams/visions, thinking they meant something. Sorry, but I've resorted to other methods to conclude truth in my life.

I believe the kid had an experience that was extraordinary, and it was a spiritual experience, and that he learned things in that state that were impossible in the physical. We are spiritual beings having a physical experience, so sometimes there is layover. I do believe NDE's give evidence of continuing life beyond death of our physical bodies, however imperfect that evidence may be.

However, I do not believe that we can take what he experienced as doctrine, because the meaning he and his family place on it is interpreted thru their lens of experience, etc. I especially don't believe his theological interpretations are "indisputable".

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

If I can't prove what he is saying is true, then I believe it is a lie.

And therein lies the problem. You are making the onus of reliability your own ability to prove something as true or false, and not upon the honesty and integrity of the source. You refuse to accept by faith anything that is not empirically verifiable?

If so, that's just plain stupid.

Why not simply say, "If I can't prove what he is saying is true, then I have no solid basis upon which I can rest my belief"?

Why does it have to become a "lie"? A lie is an intentional falsification of facts intended to deceive. You think so evil of a 4 year old child?

So let me ask you:

What do you believe about Jesus?

Jesus said the following, empirically unproveable statements:

- That He was sent from God the Father
- That God Himself was His Father
- That He came from Heaven
- That whosoever believes on Him will never die but have everlasting life
- That whoever believes on Him passes from death to life
- That some will go away to everlasting punishment, and some "in the world to come life everlasting" (Luke 18:30)

Can you or do you believe these things? If not, or if since you cannot prove them, are these statements now lies, thus making Jesus, like the child you discredit, a LIAR?

You want people to answer what you think is an impossible question. Here is a question for you that is not impossible to answer:

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God and all who believe on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

And therein lies the problem. You are making the onus of reliability your own ability to prove something as true or false, and not upon the honesty and integrity of the source. You refuse to accept by faith anything that is not empirically verifiable?

If so, that's just plain stupid.

Why not simply say, "If I can't prove what he is saying is true, then I have no solid basis upon which I can rest my belief"?

Why does it have to become a "lie"? A lie is an intentional falsification of facts intended to deceive. You think so evil of a 4 year old child?

So let me ask you:

What do you believe about Jesus?

Jesus said the following, empirically unproveable statements:

- That He was sent from God the Father
- That God Himself was His Father
- That He came from Heaven
- That whosoever believes on Him will never die but have everlasting life
- That whoever believes on Him passes from death to life
- That some will go away to everlasting punishment, and some "in the world to come life everlasting" (Luke 18:30)

Can you or do you believe these things? If not, or if since you cannot prove them, are these statements now lies, thus making Jesus, like the child you discredit, a LIAR?

You want people to answer what you think is an impossible question. Here is a question for you that is not impossible to answer:

Do you believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God and all who believe on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life?

Do an extensive study on the Salem Witch Trials. Make sure you pay attention to this one bit of fact (if you want the facts), if you decide to look into this dicey piece of history; Spectral Evidence.

Then when you're done with that, find out how much money this Family has made on this, "Out of Body Experience". It's all about the MONEY, BUNNY!