The Question No One Can Answer

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Lafon, do you believe in the Old Testament?

Absolutely!

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Absolutely!

Eternal Damnation/Heaven of the New Testament is not found in the Old Testament. This my friend, is a problem, a Religious problem.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Eternal Damnation/Heaven of the New Testament is not found in the Old Testament. This my friend, is a problem, a Religious problem.

Say what?

From the KJV:

Heaven is used 313 times in the OT.

Heavens is used 108 times in the OT.

For ever is used 329 times in the OT.

For ever and ever is used 25 times in the OT.

Everlasting is used 65 times in the OT.

In Psalm 112:6, it speaks of God holding the righteous in an everlasting rememberance, i.e. eternal life in heaven.

In Psalm 145:13, Daniel 4:3, and Daniel 7:27, we are told God's kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom.

Indeed, Daniel 7, after speaking of the four beasts and the little horn, plainly states that God's Kingdom of Heaven is eternal (See Daniel 7:13-28).

Of special note is Daniel 7:18,

But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Isaiah 45:17 speaks of God's everlasting salvation.

Regarding Eternal Damnation:

Psalm 9:5,

Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.

Daniel 12:2,

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Isaiah 66:24,

And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

The Lord Jesus quoted this very verse three times in succession at the end of Mark 9 in reference to people going into "hell", i.e. Gehenna, or the Lake of Fire (See also Isaiah 34:1-10).

Jeremiah 23:40,

And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.

These are eternal condemnations pronounced against certain people by God.

All are Old Testament.

So is your statement accurate or would you like to withdraw?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Say what?

From the KJV:

Heaven is used 313 times in the OT.

Heavens is used 108 times in the OT.

For ever is used 329 times in the OT.

For ever and ever is used 25 times in the OT.

Everlasting is used 65 times in the OT.

In Psalm 112:6, it speaks of God holding the righteous in an everlasting rememberance, i.e. eternal life in heaven.

In Psalm 145:13, Daniel 4:3, and Daniel 7:27, we are told God's kingdom is an everlasting Kingdom.

Indeed, Daniel 7, after speaking of the four beasts and the little horn, plainly states that God's Kingdom of Heaven is eternal (See Daniel 7:13-28).

Of special note is Daniel 7:18,



Isaiah 45:17 speaks of God's everlasting salvation.

Regarding Eternal Damnation:

Psalm 9:5,



Daniel 12:2,



Isaiah 66:24,



The Lord Jesus quoted this very verse three times in succession at the end of Mark 9 in reference to people going into "hell", i.e. Gehenna, or the Lake of Fire (See also Isaiah 34:1-10).

Jeremiah 23:40,



These are eternal condemnations pronounced against certain people by God.

All are Old Testament.

So is your statement accurate or would you like to withdraw?

Why does NFS keep trying to claim the OT says nothing of an "after-life"?

He even says it's not in the Torah, or is, but just barely.

Here's a quote from God Himself:

"I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob"

Three dead men (but actually still alive in the presence of God) by the time God said this to Moses, which Jesus used from the Torah to prove the resurrection and an after-life to the Sadducees, who said the Torah doesn't teach a resurrection and an after-life.

NFS, Jesus refuted your comments 1,980 some years ago.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Why does NFS keep trying to claim the OT says nothing of an "after-life"?

He even says it's not in the Torah, or is, but just barely.

Here's a quote from God Himself:

"I am the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob"

Three dead men (but actually still alive in the presence of God) by the time God said this to Moses, which Jesus used from the Torah to prove the resurrection and an after-life to the Sadducees, who said the Torah doesn't teach a resurrection and an after-life.

NFS, Jesus refuted your comments 1,980 some years ago.

God didn't write the above statement; (they believe) Moses did. Also, the New and Old Testaments are worlds apart regarding the Afterlife.

Where is Eternal Damnation in the Old Testament? Where are streets of gold, walls of jasper, and the crystal sea?

The Bible was written by men, and if we believe that Moses, David, and Solomon wrote books of the Bible, there were polygamists, murderers, and adulterers, and God's signature is not on any of the Documents. If we continue to believe that God wrote Scripture, we are lying to ourselves.

You know, VS, if you spend enough time going through Scripture to find and create your idea, you can do it. That's because Religion is the Face of Man, and that's what the Bible is. It will speak to you at every corner of your life, including the corners of Religious Bondage.

IMO, you know what "narrow is the way that leadeth unto life", means; people who leave the Religion who has snared them, are a people on a very lonely journey where the truth has overcome the myths they once trusted in.

The Broad way is Religion, and even Jesus embarked on this lonely journey, away from the Traditions of Men and into lives of broken and sick people, where reality existed.