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Old 04-25-2014, 01:50 AM
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I dont know if you read my other threads I referred to from a couple months ago(the man Christ Jesus).....let me try to clarify brother.


Jesus, NEVER physically pre-existed. He was the 2nd Adam(the first Adam was created from dust and was "a" son of God, the second Adam was created in the "egg" of Mary and became the "only begotten"(only conceived) son of God. They were both equally human, but made differently.


Now The Father(GOD), chose to dwell in His "only begotten" son(Jesus), unlike Adam in the garden. The first Adam sinned and the second Adam did not sin.(I believe with the help of the Holy Ghost).

Actually, the Father that was in Jesus was otherwise known as the Holy Ghost. Luke 4:1 Jesus, being a man, was FILLED with the Holy Ghost.

Jesus died and resurrected, and now is the Image of God for us to worship. God without some kind of Image, is like worshipping the wind or electricity. You can feel it but it cant be seen . God, wanting to get more "personal"(seen) with mankind , created Jesus.
2 Cor. 5:19...says... "to wit(or to understand) that GOD(FATHER) was IN(INSIDE) Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself(God or the Father)

He is inside of a glorified human body now(the body of Jesus), and all that it entails, to have real fellowship with us. He now insists on us to go through an Image(Jesus)....


Its not 2 persons, Its 1 God "inside" 1 Man(glorified Jesus)


I would say as I said above in the previous thread.... A glorified man that has been given all power(that had none of his own originally) that is called by the Creator (our image) to worship, and is "containing" the "fullness" of this Creator ...is God to me!
It sounds like two persons.

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"He was the 2nd Adam(the first Adam was created from dust and was "a" son of God, the second Adam was created in the "egg" of Mary and became the "only begotten"(only conceived) son of God. They were both equally human, but made differently.


Now The Father(GOD), chose to dwell in His "only begotten" son(Jesus), unlike Adam in the garden. The first Adam sinned and the second Adam did not sin.(I believe with the help of the Holy Ghost)."

That's two persons. God and a man. You have one God person and one human person.

Word for word, what you said is what Unitarians say. They have a God and a man. God in Jesus. Two Persons.
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Old 04-25-2014, 07:30 AM
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It sounds like two persons.

You said

"He was the 2nd Adam(the first Adam was created from dust and was "a" son of God, the second Adam was created in the "egg" of Mary and became the "only begotten"(only conceived) son of God. They were both equally human, but made differently.


Now The Father(GOD), chose to dwell in His "only begotten" son(Jesus), unlike Adam in the garden. The first Adam sinned and the second Adam did not sin.(I believe with the help of the Holy Ghost)."

That's two persons. God and a man. You have one God person and one human person.

Word for word, what you said is what Unitarians say. They have a God and a man. God in Jesus. Two Persons.



Praxeas...I am not sure you understand me here. Jesus was a man on earth...NOT A GOD/MAN. JESUS WAS NOT GOD UNTIL THE RESURRECTION. GOD WAS IN HIM. JESUS SAID THAT HE HAD A GOD(the Father) BEFORE HIS ASCENSION MULTIPLE TIMES. ONLY A HUMAN BEING CAN HAVE A GOD. GOD CANNOT HAVE A GOD. HE WAS TOTALLY,100% human just like us....



PRAXEAS....THE CONCLUSION OF ONENESS TEACHING IS GOD "IN" CHRIST(the man) .......THE CONCLUSION OF TRINITARIANISM IS GOD "AND" CHRIST.(2 Deities) plus, 1 holy Spirit...Totaling 3 DEIFIED BEINGS (3 GODS)

THIS MAN HAS EMBRACED THE "SIGNATURE" DOCTRINE OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. This doctrine that he embraces is higher than MARY worship or anything else they teach. (one God consisting of 3 "PERSONS" or "beings")

Notice how I go into great detail to explain "oneness" teachings.

This man(Luke) would be "EMBARASSED" to explain trinitarianism in great detail. (I actually want to see him do it)....Do you think?....noooo he wouldn't. Hmmmm


HEY WAIT A MINUTE...ARE YOU BAITING ME?...LOL
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Old 04-26-2014, 03:56 PM
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Praxeas...I am not sure you understand me here. Jesus was a man on earth...NOT A GOD/MAN. JESUS WAS NOT GOD UNTIL THE RESURRECTION. GOD WAS IN HIM. JESUS SAID THAT HE HAD A GOD(the Father) BEFORE HIS ASCENSION MULTIPLE TIMES. ONLY A HUMAN BEING CAN HAVE A GOD. GOD CANNOT HAVE A GOD. HE WAS TOTALLY,100% human just like us....
Yup..sounds like you have two persons.

One is God.

The other is just a man who became God upon resurrection.
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Old 04-26-2014, 06:08 PM
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Yup..sounds like you have two persons.

One is God.

The other is just a man who became God upon resurrection.





Not quite Prax...I was trying to say the Father WAS inside the man on earth, and inside the 'omnipresent body" of Christ NOW...God just "rebirthed" the destroyed body of His human son and the Father(God) DWELLS in it now. The Spirit is in the man.

2 Cor. 5:19....to wit(to understand),,,that God(Father, Jehovah) was "in"(inside) Christ(son,man, human being) reconciling the world unto Himself(God, Father, Jehovah)

Col.2:9... For in Him(Jesus,glorified man, resurrected begotten son from the dead) dwelleth(continues to dwell) all the fullness(everything that God consists of) of the Godhead bodily. (inside his body)

1 Tim. 3:16....great is the "mystery"(isnt that the truth) of godliness, for God(Father, Jehovah) was manifest(revealed) in the flesh(human son, Jesus)........How could He(God, Jehovah) be seen of Angels, being He is invisible?....The "IMAGE"(Jesus)




When Jesus was on earth, the Father, in the FORM of the Spirit(Holy Ghost), Dwelled in him, The Father still does (BUT IN THE FULLNESS OF ALL OF HIS POWER NOW)


Simply, almighty God who forbid image worship in the O.T. did that because He some day would provide an EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIMSELF SOMEDAY for us to get to worship. For instance, I never pray to anything but Jesus, understanding that He is the IMAGE of almighty God. (HE IS A "FORM" OF THE FATHER, OR in my mind...a "MANIFESTATION" of the Father) I DONT SAY GOD WHEN I PRAY, I say Lord Jesus. (GOD COULD BE ANYTHING)

Ok, for all the Catholics watching,,,Jesus is my "STATUE" of the FATHER(IT IS A STATUE OF THE FATHER WITH THE IMAGE AND THE NAME JESUS ON IT)....Sorry, that was my B.C. coming out...LOL


All I have been saying from the start Prax....Its not God AND Jesus, but God IN Jesus.

I dont see 1 AND 1, but I see 1 IN 1.(God in man) (I guess you dont see what I see) sorry.


I have not studied this certain topic, but I heard Dr. David Bernard in a debate say the "purpose" of the Son will cease in heaven and God will be "all in all". I cannot further comment on this teaching because I have not researched it, but if anyone can, feel free to bring it out.


I am keeping a low profile here.
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Old 04-28-2014, 02:53 AM
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Not quite Prax...I was trying to say the Father WAS inside the man on earth, and inside the 'omnipresent body" of Christ NOW...God just "rebirthed" the destroyed body of His human son and the Father(God) DWELLS in it now. The Spirit is in the man.

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Yes but you still have two persons. One is God, one is not but becomes God.

BTW "Omnipresent body"?
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Yes but you still have two persons. One is God, one is not but becomes God.

BTW "Omnipresent body"?




Prax.......omnipresent body of Jesus can be visibly "seen" in California, China and on Mars at the same time.(if God so chose to reveal Himself to us) It was not like that before the resurrection.(The man Christ Jesus was at one place at one time) Nobody could see God in the same sense and live in the O.T., Jesus is the tangible "temple" for us to approach the invisible God.

If you want to see the "new" Jesus, just read revelation and John describes what He looks like....
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Prax.......omnipresent body of Jesus can be visibly "seen" in California, China and on Mars at the same time.(if God so chose to reveal Himself to us) It was not like that before the resurrection.(The man Christ Jesus was at one place at one time) Nobody could see God in the same sense and live in the O.T., Jesus is the tangible "temple" for us to approach the invisible God.

If you want to see the "new" Jesus, just read revelation and John describes what He looks like....
So...his body is everywhere?
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I dont see 1 AND 1, but I see 1 IN 1.(God in man) (I guess you dont see what I see) sorry.

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That's actually what I said YOU said..guess you didn't read what I said very carefully
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