Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

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My God! you were right.
Revelation 22

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his (Gods) commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

***It's also very strange reading this passage in a red letter king james version because there are red letter from verse 7 to 16 but verses 8-11 are removed even though it's clear the speaker has not changed...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by jfrog

My God! you were right.
Revelation 22

9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his (Gods) commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

***It's also very strange reading this passage in a red letter king james version because there are red letter from verse 7 to 16 but verses 8-11 are removed even though it's clear the speaker has not changed...

No, that is incorrect. Jesus is disttinguished FROM THE ANGEL as follows:

Rev 22:16 KJV I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

THE ANGEL QUOTED JESUS.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No, that is incorrect. Jesus is disttinguished FROM THE ANGEL as follows:

Rev 22:16 KJV I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

THE ANGEL QUOTED JESUS.

Seems your needle just jumps all over your record doesn't it. Thought you left. Welcome back

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Seems your needle just jumps all over your record doesn't it. Thought you left. Welcome back

Can you deal with that passage instead of insult?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Can you deal with that passage instead of insult?

That wasn't an insult.

Can you deal with the 50 or so that I referenced? No? Well, I'm not leaving over it. Guess we are back to word by word.

6 And he said to me (that's the messenger talking to John), `These words [are] stedfast and true, and the Lord God of the holy prophets did send His messenger to shew to His servants the things that it behoveth to come quickly:

7 Lo, I come quickly (same entity speaking); happy [is] he who is keeping the words of the prophecy of this scroll.'

8 And I, John, am he who is seeing these things and hearing, and when I heard and beheld, I fell down to bow before the feet of the messenger who is shewing me these things;

and he saith to me, `See -- not; for fellow-servant of thee am I, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of those keeping the words of this scroll; before God bow.'

10 And he saith to me, `Thou mayest not seal the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is nigh;

11 he who is unrighteous -- let him be unrighteous still, and he who is filthy -- let him be filthy still, and he who is righteous -- let him be declared righteous still, and he who is sanctified -- let him be sanctified still:

12 And lo, I come quickly, and my reward [is] with me, to render to each as his work shall be;

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega -- the Beginning and End -- the First and the Last.

14 `Happy are those doing His commands (same person who said Alpha and Omega referred to SOMEONE ELSE) that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of the life, and by the gates they may enter into the city;

You deal with it. What is insulting is the bald faced lie you declare over and over in direct contradiction to what is plainly written. Summary: What you say it says it doesn't say. It's one unbroken passage of one unbroken story and I don't care if you line up a jillion scholars who declare that "the emperor is clothed" here is what the emperor says himself:

"For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak." It's in John 12

Gonna leave in a huff again? Here is the difference between you and me. I don't sell anything nor have even a bit of personal gain from speaking.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

That wasn't an insult.

Can you deal with the 50 or so that I referenced? No? Well, I'm not leaving over it. Guess we are back to word by word.

I proposed my argument for the question after which this thread is entitled. You responded and never once dealt with my proposition.

THE ALPHA AND OMEGA IS THE ALMIGHTY and also THE ONE WHO DIED AND IS ALIVE.

Deal with it. You can't. I'll hold your feet to the fire over this one. It is MY argument for the point of this thread. And you cannot respond to it, but tell me to respond to your issues. It;s like asking someone what sports game they favour, and then when someone tells you, you respond and talk about everything except what they provided for their answer. But somehow you are convincing yourself you avoided nothing.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I proposed my argument for the question after which this thread is entitled. You responded and never once dealt with my proposition.

THE ALPHA AND OMEGA IS THE ALMIGHTY and also THE ONE WHO DIED AND IS ALIVE.

Deal with it. You can't. I'll hold your feet to the fire over this one. It is MY argument for the point of this thread. And you cannot respond to it, but tell me to respond to your issues. It;s like asking someone what sports game they favour, and then when someone tells you, you respond and talk about everything except what they provided for their answer. But somehow you are convincing yourself you avoided nothing.

Ummmm, he did deal with that. He quoted

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Was that Jesus speaking or the angel? If Jesus then Revelation 22:9-16 appears to be Jesus speaking and saying don't worship me. If it was the angel speaking then the angel by your reasoning must be both God and Jesus as well since the angel is also the Alpha and Omega.

So your kinda backed into a corner on this one with no escape. If I was you I'd let the Alpha and Omega thing go because there's nothing good than can come of that for you.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I proposed my argument for the question after which this thread is entitled. You responded and never once dealt with my proposition.

THE ALPHA AND OMEGA IS THE ALMIGHTY and also THE ONE WHO DIED AND IS ALIVE.

Deal with it. You can't. I'll hold your feet to the fire over this one. It is MY argument for the point of this thread. And you cannot respond to it, but tell me to respond to your issues. It;s like asking someone what sports game they favour, and then when someone tells you, you respond and talk about everything except what they provided for their answer. But somehow you are convincing yourself you avoided nothing.

Smart of you to leave off the rest of my post.

"For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak."

Still dealing with that? Several more pending.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

That wasn't an insult.

It sure was:

Originally Posted by WII

Seems your needle just jumps all over your record doesn't it.

Sounds like an insult to me.

Gonna leave in a huff again? Here is the difference between you and me. I don't sell anything nor have even a bit of personal gain from speaking.

Leave in a huff? lol. Talk about misrepresentation! Try, leaving because you refuse to answer my proposition.

More insulting? Ministers live of the gospel, sir. It's bible.

Now, stop hedging and deal with my answer to the thread's entire question.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It sure was:

Ministers live of the gospel, sir. It's bible.

Is it? Edumacate us. I declare that receiving is allowed but peddling is listed as sin in the bible.

Show us where it is "bible" to accumulate wealth and property from sale of the gospel. Go