Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Do you know what alpha and omega means? I sure don't. Do you know if Alpha and Omega is a unique phrase or one that can apply to more than one person? I sure don't because I don't even know what an "Alpha and Omega" is.

So before you can say there is only 1 alpha and omega first you must know what the phrase means and then there must be some kind of uniqueness associated with it such that it can only apply to one person. I don't think you can show either and so basing a doctrine about who Jesus is off the phrase alpha and omega is more like grasping for straws. Especially when verse 8 clearly tells us who is speaking, the Lord. (You know God?)

I think your argument ran out of gas. 2 Alpha and Omegas....cmon bro. ya hurt me in a bad kinda way...LOL

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Sean

I think your argument ran out of gas. 2 Alpha and Omegas....cmon bro. ya hurt me in a bad kinda way...LOL

Where's your gas? We are back to Chapter 1 again?

1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify [it], having sent through his messenger to his servant John, (that God GAVE to HIM?)

2 who did testify the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, as many things also as he did see.

3 Happy is he who is reading, and those hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it -- for the time is nigh!

4 John to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia: Grace to you, and peace, from Him who is, and who was, and who is coming, and from the Seven Spirits that are before His throne, (that's God)

5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood, (and from someone else - Jesus)

6 and did make us kings and priests to his God and Father, to him [is] the glory and the power to the ages of the ages! Amen. (clarified - Jesus has a God)

7 Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!

8 `I am the Alpha and the Omega, beginning and end, saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is coming -- the Almighty.' (that's the voice of God, through Jesus, signified through the Angel)

Where does this chapter say or even remotely imply that Jesus and God are the same?

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying,

11 `I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last;' and, `What thou dost see, write in a scroll, and send to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.'

18 and he who is living, and I did become dead, and, lo, I am living to the ages of the ages. Amen! and I have the keys of the hades and of the death.

19 `Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these things;

So this is: The "Revelation of Jesus Christ, that God Gave to Him". Not "The Revelation of Jesus Christ from His Throne" or the Revelation of God Jesus Christ".