Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

[Sean]

Guys, I think that they are seeing that we are saying (regarding a dual nature concept).Is we are saying that Jesus had a human nature and a divine nature(that would make his divine nature distinct from the Fathers divine nature). That would make 2 dieties somehow. Then we blend it into one deity. (Father and Son are one)

That seems to be the concept we are portraying.


If we took the divine nature concept off the table(because its not biblical), then we can say Jesus was truly human and the other point of view could see things more clearly.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sean

Guys, I think that they are seeing that we are saying (regarding a dual nature concept).Is we are saying that Jesus had a human nature and a divine nature(that would make his divine nature distinct from the Fathers divine nature). That would make 2 dieties somehow. Then we blend it into one deity. (Father and Son are one)

That seems to be the concept we are portraying.


If we took the divine nature concept off the table(because its not biblical), then we can say Jesus was truly human and the other point of view could see things more clearly.

It would be more correct to say that we can make a distinction between the two natures of Jesus, divine and human, but that we cannot make a separation.

By way of example, this is how I have always understood it, from II Cor 4:16 - "Though our outward man perish yet the inward man is renewed day by day."

Paul is making a distinction of body and spirit, but not a separation.

And, BTW, this example is not the same as the Nestorian view in which they term "son" dealing with the humanity and ignoring the deity.

You cannot separate the two, especially after reading Isaiah 9:6.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It would be more correct to say that we can make a distinction between the two natures of Jesus, divine and human, but that we cannot make a separation.

By way of example, this is how I have always understood it, from II Cor 4:16 - "Though our outward man perish yet the inward man is renewed day by day."

Paul is making a distinction of body and spirit, but not a separation.

And, BTW, this example is not the same as the Nestorian view in which they term "son" dealing with the humanity and ignoring the deity.

You cannot separate the two, especially after reading Isaiah 9:6.

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What I am saying to clarify, is Jesus had a HUMAN spirit of his own. His human spirit was (not) divine. These guys think the "dual nature" concept that is taught is... Jesus had a Divine spirit of his own, which in turn shows 2 divine spirits.(Jesus' and the Fathers')

[SRM]

Originally Posted by Sean

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What I am saying to clarify, is Jesus had a HUMAN spirit of his own. His human spirit was (not) divine. These guys think the "dual nature" concept that is taught is... Jesus had a Divine spirit of his own, which in turn shows 2 divine spirits.(Jesus' and the Fathers')

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make

There is absolutely no wiggle room with this verse..Jesus was made LIKE his brethen in all things,did any of his brethen have a dual nature?..How about Moses? Moses told that a Prophet LIKE him God would raise up!.nothing at all about Moses being more than human..

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by SRM

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make

There is absolutely no wiggle room with this verse..Jesus was made LIKE his brethen in all things,did any of his brethen have a dual nature?..How about Moses? Moses told that a Prophet LIKE him God would raise up!.nothing at all about Moses being more than human..

"Like unto His brethren" in the sense that He was a descendent of Abraham - Heb 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham."

How could He fully be like Moses and the brethren as Moses and all the brethren had both a mother and a father in conception?

Obviously, the "flesh" was the commonality.