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[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Balance can be just another word for "failing to take a stand..."

It can only be "just another word for...." if its misused in the first place.

This whole attitude, "Well, we did our best, and they are adults, now, and, we can only hope, and, we tried to show them a balance, and, so forth and so on..." yeeecccch!

Hmmmm...so you plan on controlling your adult children and their choices?

So tatoos are kinda okay now...poor Larry Boy and the shelacking he got for tatoos and piercings.

I don't think they're "kinda okay", but I think considering our society we are going to have to deal with people who are converted who have them (permanently), and young people who think this is a cool teenager thing to do (because they're young and somewhat foolish and of course they'll regret it later, but what teenager will believe that sentiment?).

So you can either say "That was stupid" and then move on...OR...you can...well...what were you suggesting, exactly?

Does anyone believe that what we do here in the physical realm is boundlessly connected to the spiritual world??? Billy Graham's dedication and efforts to push false doctrine would out pace many people in the UPC today...does HE get an A for effort and slide into heaven???

Give me a break...

I have to say...I don't believe if someone has a heart tattooed on their arm with "MAMA" scrawled across it, that its in any way connected to the spiritual world. Furthermore, there must have been exceptions (in the OT) to the markings/piercings rules, since Jewish women wore nose rings and earrings, AND the whole servant/aul-through-the-ear thing. Exodus 21:4-6

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

It can only be "just another word for...." if its misused in the first place.



Hmmmm...so you plan on controlling your adult children and their choices?



I don't think they're "kinda okay", but I think considering our society we are going to have to deal with people who are converted who have them (permanently), and young people who think this is a cool teenager thing to do (because they're young and somewhat foolish and of course they'll regret it later, but what teenager will believe that sentiment?).

So you can either say "That was stupid" and then move on...OR...you can...well...what were you suggesting, exactly?



I have to say...I don't believe if someone has a heart tattooed on their arm with "MAMA" scrawled across it, that its in any way connected to the spiritual world. Furthermore, there must have been exceptions (in the OT) to the markings/piercings rules, since Jewish women wore nose rings and earrings, AND the whole servant/aul-through-the-ear thing. Exodus 21:4-6

I understand the reason for the thread, although I don't agree with the text...yes, this can be likened to any other life changing mistake that a young person makes...do you stop loving them? NO Do you constantly bring it up and badger them? NO

How are these things handled? My mother got very hurt and angry when something like this would take place. When I left God, we didn't talk for three years. When I made things right with God, I approached her and we talked a long while and put everything under the blood. It was God's grace that we were able to bridge the gap. Although she shut me out...IF she had just said, "I tried, and I can't say anything to you because you are an adult now...," I would have lost any ounce of respect that I had for her beliefs. She stood strong and was able to allow God to use her to help me along...

Bottom line, hate the sin...love the sinner...don't compromise for or with the sin...do everything in your soul and intreat God's grace into your life so that you can balance that fine edge of love vs. sin without destroying your relationship...

(and BALANCE used here is not interchangeable with "failing to make a stand")

Tatooing has everything to do with spirituality no matter how "simple" one is tatooed. When someone changes God's creation, there is spiritual attatchments involved.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

I understand the reason for the thread, although I don't agree with the text...yes, this can be likened to any other life changing mistake that a young person makes...do you stop loving them? NO Do you constantly bring it up and badger them? NO

How are these things handled? My mother got very hurt and angry when something like this would take place. When I left God, we didn't talk for three years. When I made things right with God, I approached her and we talked a long while and put everything under the blood. It was God's grace that we were able to bridge the gap. Although she shut me out...IF she had just said, "I tried, and I can't say anything to you because you are an adult now...," I would have lost any ounce of respect that I had for her beliefs. She stood strong and was able to allow God to use her to help me along...

Bottom line, hate the sin...love the sinner...don't compromise for or with the sin...do everything in your soul and intreat God's grace into your life so that you can balance that fine edge of love vs. sin without destroying your relationship...

(and BALANCE used here is not interchangeable with "failing to make a stand")

Tatooing has everything to do with spirituality no matter how "simple" one is tatooed. When someone changes God's creation, there is spiritual attatchments involved.

I simply do not agree with this...I am certainly not advocating tattoos...but to say that a tattoo has spiritual implications because it alters God's creation would have great implications in most everything we do.

So don't get a haircut...

So let your hair do it's "natural thing" and refrain from using hair spray and gel...

God's creation smells bad under the arms...so don't alter it with deodorant...

God's creation was meant to be so tall and so big...so don't gain too much weight and wear shoes with heels...

God's creation was meant to be a certain color so don't tan...

Don't cut your finger nails...

Don't wear eye glasses...

Don't put on a hearing aide...

I know these are extreme...but please show us where the bible declares that "altering God's creation" is a spiritual event when it is not done as a part of idol worship and withcraft. (understanding that if you are altering your apperance as a part of demon worship the spiritual implication is in the "why" and not in the "what".)

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

I simply do not agree with this...I am certainly not advocating tattoos...but to say that a tattoo has spiritual implications because it alters God's creation would have great implications in most everything we do.

So don't get a haircut... Men are shamed to have long hair

So let your hair do it's "natural thing" and refrain from using hair spray and gel...Plausible, too much is vain, and yes, "too much" is subjective

God's creation smells bad under the arms...so don't alter it with deoterant...Plausible, same as above

God's creation was meant to be so tall and so big...so don't gain too much weight and wear shoes with heals...Weight = trouble, high heels - vain

God's creation was meant to be a certain color so don't tan...Plausible, same as make up

Don't cut your finger nails...Functionality

Don't wear eye glasses...Functionality

Don't put on a hearing aide...Functionality

I know these are extreme...but please show us where the bible declares that "altering God's creation" is a spiritual event when it is not done as a part of idol worship and withcraft.

Yes, indeed extreme...but,

A tattoo is a label, an identifier...an outward expression of inner thought and spirituallity...and doesn't the Bible say that beauty should be inward, not outward (I Peter 3)?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Yes, indeed extreme...but,

A tattoo is a label, an identifier...an outward expression of inner thought and spirituallity...and doesn't the Bible say that beauty should be inward, not outward (I Peter 3)?

In that case, all the dressing up for church should be frowned upon.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Rico

In that case, all the dressing up for church should be frowned upon.

Again, vanity is subjective...okay, go naked... NOT!!!

Of course, for the obvious reason

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Rico

In that case, all the dressing up for church should be frowned upon.

My point exactly...thanks!

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Rico

In that case, all the dressing up for church should be frowned upon.

Originally Posted by triumphant1

My point exactly...thanks!

Can't have real church if ya don't dress like a Friday night special!!!

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Yes, indeed extreme...but,

A tattoo is a label, an identifier...an outward expression of inner thought and spirituallity...and doesn't the Bible say that beauty should be inward, not outward (I Peter 3)?

Read 1 Peter in context...he is talking about women winning their husbands to Christ. He never condemns outward beauty, he simply tells them that outward beauty won thier husbands heart but it would be their inward beauty (specifically in how they treat their husbands) that would win their souls..in other words, "If you want your husband to believe your Christianity, then don't treat him like a jerk."

All of your 'red markings" made me smile. Your paradigm is very small and you still have not satisfied the issue. But I can't fault you for that seeing you are a product of what you have been taught.

A shirt is an identifier...so only wear white...

A car is an identifier...so only drive a VW bug...

On and on and on and on........

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by triumphant1

Read 1 Peter in context...he is talking about women winning their husbands to Christ. He never condemns outward beauty, he simply tells them that outward beauty won thier husbands heart but it would be their inward beauty (specifically in how they treat their husbands) that would win their souls..in other words, "If you want your husband to believe your Christianity, then don't treat him like a jerk."

All of your 'red markings" made me smile. Your paradigm is very small and you still have not satisfied the issue. But I can't fault you for that seeing you are a product of what you have been taught.

A shirt is an identifier...so only wear white...

A car is an identifier...so only drive a VW bug...

On and on and on and on........

Exactly...an issue here is motivation...why do we do/wear what we do/wear?? Still, does not detract from the sin of getting a tatoo and all that is associated with a tatoo.

Paradigm - another buzzword for openmindedness...please don't insult my intelligence with your condescending tone. Anyone here who calls sin, sin is small minded, right??