Islamic Prayers at the Vatican

[Luke]

Originally Posted by jfrog

It takes a sinner to hunger and thirst after righteousness. The righteous have already ate and drank from that table and no lobger hunger and thirst for they have been filled.

Have you ever ate ice cream till you were full and wanted no more then went back the day or so because you liked it so much you now were hungry for more?

Also according to the Bible sinners want to sin they do not want to be righteous:

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others


Psalm 1
1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

4 The ungodly are not so:

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Luke

Have you ever ate ice cream till you were full and wanted no more then went back the day or so because you liked it so much you now were hungry for more?

Also according to the Bible sinners want to sin they do not want to be righteous:

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others


Psalm 1
1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly,
nor standeth in the way of sinners,
nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord;
and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

4 The ungodly are not so:

When Jesus said those that hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled do you really think he meant they would only be filled for a few days and then would have to come back for more?

By the way if sinners only want to sin and do not want to be righteous then Jesus' death was in vain for we all are sinners and not one is righteous nor wants to be righteous. Tell me his death wasn't in vain and stop trying so hard to be right and think about the implications of the things you are saying.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by jfrog

When Jesus said those that hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled do you really think he meant they would only be filled for a few days and then would have to come back for more?

I never said that we were only full for a few days (implying that we run out and have to come get filled up again). What i was saying is that our ice cream bowl gets bigger and bigger so is isnt that we run out as much as it is that our appetite grows and we want more and more.

Originally Posted by jfrog

By the way if sinners only want to sin and do not want to be righteous then Jesus' death was in vain for we all are sinners and not one is righteous nor wants to be righteous. Tell me his death wasn't in vain and stop trying so hard to be right and think about the implications of the things you are saying.

His death was not in vain.

If you are saved then WERE a sinner but after salvation you are not a sinner any longer.

Acts 26:18 to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Col 1:13 who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Luke

I never said that we were only full for a few days (implying that we run out and have to come get filled up again). What i was saying is that our ice cream bowl gets bigger and bigger so is isnt that we run out as much as it is that our appetite grows and we want more and more.






His death was not in vain.

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Originally Posted by Luke

Have you ever ate ice cream till you were full and wanted no more then went back the day or so because you liked it so much you now were hungry for more?

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Really Luke? It seems you twist your own words as much as the twist the words of Jesus.

But all hope is not lost. I'm glad you admit Jesus death was not in vain. So I have a question... If I can show you one sinner that hungered and thirsted after righteousness that was filled will you denounce your previous claims that sinners never hunger and thirst for righteousness?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Really Luke? It seems you twist your own words as much as the twist the words of Jesus.

But all hope is not lost. I'm glad you admit Jesus death was not in vain. So I have a question... If I can show you one sinner that hungered and thirsted after righteousness that was filled will you denounce your previous claims that sinners never hunger and thirst for righteousness?

Depends on context of passage and life.