Question?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Ferd

dude, unless you believe everyone everywhere is saved regardless of their belief system, then you are no different from OPs with the exception that you have moved the line to some other place.


if you say that christians who have been baptized in the titles are saved, but people who practice Shintoism arent, then you are exactly the same as those you accuse. Your line has just shifted a bit.

It is the bible, not me that says "If the Gospel is hid, it is hid to those who are lost"

hmm, to that i would reply that it is not my business to judge other peoples' salvation. That is between them and God, however they see Him. Shinto is a pagan religion, so off to a bad start, imo; but that does not mean that some Shinto's may not have spiritually discovered "pick up your cross," which after all is just how we say "sacrifice yourself so that others may see."

Yes, i have moved the line--off the page, and into the spiritual--i would like to believe--which to me is just how we say "into the everyday human transactions of life." Now, relating that to your quote, i read "if being the bigger person in a difficult matter eludes you, it is because you have no clue." Would you accept that?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm, to that i would reply that it is not my business to judge other peoples' salvation. That is between them and God, however they see Him.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm, to that i would reply that it is not my business to judge other peoples' salvation. That is between them and God, however they see Him. Shinto is a pagan religion, so off to a bad start, imo; but that does not mean that some Shinto's may not have spiritually discovered "pick up your cross," which after all is just how we say "sacrifice yourself so that others may see."

Yes, i have moved the line--off the page, and into the spiritual--i would like to believe--which to me is just how we say "into the everyday human transactions of life." Now, relating that to your quote, i read "if being the bigger person in a difficult matter eludes you, it is because you have no clue." Would you accept that?

honestly with all respect, I dont understand what your saying. i do think that at the end of the day we are miles from one another. I believe (because my eyeballs have seen) that there are absolutes in scripture. I further believe that it is not mean or nasty or hateful to agree with scripture about those absolutes.

There is one door, and anyone trying to enter via some other way is a theif.

But that doesnt mean I hate the lost or glory in thier demise.

THAT doesnt mean when some former Apostolic comes along and tells me I am an idiot, that I am going to just smile and tell them blessed be.... or whatever.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Ferd

honestly with all respect, I dont understand what your saying. i do think that at the end of the day we are miles from one another. I believe (because my eyeballs have seen) that there are absolutes in scripture...

Ok, well please understand that i just came here and read this little mutual admiration society back-slapping thread, and decided that a little disagreement--just to be disagreeable--might provide some illumination. I believe the same words you believe; but possibly i just believe them for me, and (try to) apply grace to everyone else. I personally have some pretty extreme 'holiness' standards; that i don't expect you, or anyone else on the planet, to agree with. If i, perchance, happen to hit on a truly better way (of interpreting Scripture), then i expect it to shine, and attract--and if not, then maybe i am the one still seeking in that area.

Ah, the absolutes--tell you what, gimme a Scriptural absolute, and i'll give you the Scriptural denial of its absolution, what do you say? Surely you have discerned that for every Scripture, there is another that seems to contradict it? That the context is what matters?

Originally Posted by Ferd

I further believe that it is not mean or nasty or hateful to agree with scripture about those absolutes.

Personally, you mean? A big amen--oh, but you really mean that i have to agree to your 'absolutes,' right?

I have a question for you: would you be offended if i came to your church in a pair of shorts and flip-flops, and nothing else? How about if i brought my wife, and she were dressed the same way? No top?

Originally Posted by Ferd

There is one door, and anyone trying to enter via some other way is a theif.

Yes, i agree--and the door is not contained in words; how you hold your mouth makes no difference. Still one door, tho, yes.
"You pore over the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me."

Originally Posted by Ferd

THAT doesnt mean when some former Apostolic comes along and tells me I am an idiot, that I am going to just smile and tell them blessed be.... or whatever.

hey, i can relate...but, how do you offend a Christian, Ferd?