Heretics and Politics by Thomas A. Fudge

[shazeep]

--but seriously, that is when Christ will return. I keep looking for signs of stones gathering, but mostly see them still scattering.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by shazeep

--but seriously, that is when Christ will return. I keep looking for signs of stones gathering, but mostly see them still scattering.

I see a gahtering. In my opinion there is more unity among holiness minded Apostolics in the last couple years. Brethren who were divided by organizationl boundaries are enjoying fellowship.

Of course there are those who are going liberal and falling away too!

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I see a gahtering. In my opinion there is more unity among holiness minded Apostolics in the last couple years. Brethren who were divided by organizationl boundaries are enjoying fellowship.

Of course there are those who are going liberal and falling away too!

I agree>

I am UPC but fellowship UPC, GIB, WPF and any man or church who preaches the fullness of the gospel. Good holiness people.

Don't fellowship libs. Don't mistreat them but don't go to their meetings or have them preach here.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

I agree>

I am UPC but fellowship UPC, GIB, WPF and any man or church who preaches the fullness of the gospel. Good holiness people.

Don't fellowship libs. Don't mistreat them but don't go to their meetings or have them preach here.

My pastor is currently licensed UPC but we have very little fellowship with them. We fellowship WPF, AMF, and GIBs. Our church is independent.

One thing I have seen is there have been several churches in the last 5 years or so that have strengthened their stands. I really didnt realize how liberal my convictions and lifestyle standards were while we were still fellowshipping the UPC. Since the Tampa resolution when several pulled out, I think a lot of churches have raised their standard. I know there was not really any fellowship with the AMF brethren and your more conservative UPC, but now since those who have pulled out of the UPC have gotten stronger there is more unity and fellowship between conservative Apostolics as a whole IMO.

My pastor went to the AMC conference even when he was still active in the UPCI, so we have had some strong holiness influence for quite a while now. I really appreciate a man of God that is not afraid to go even beyond what he was taught to find the heartbeat of God and good holiness fellowship.

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

My pastor is currently licensed UPC but we have very little fellowship with them. We fellowship WPF, AMF, and GIBs. Our church is independent.

One thing I have seen is there have been several churches in the last 5 years or so that have strengthened their stands. I really didnt realize how liberal my convictions and lifestyle standards were while we were still fellowshipping the UPC. Since the Tampa resolution when several pulled out, I think a lot of churches have raised their standard. I know there was not really any fellowship with the AMF brethren and your more conservative UPC, but now since those who have pulled out of the UPC have gotten stronger there is more unity and fellowship between conservative Apostolics as a whole IMO.

My pastor went to the AMC conference even when he was still active in the UPCI, so we have had some strong holiness influence for quite a while now. I really appreciate a man of God that is not afraid to go even beyond what he was taught to find the heartbeat of God and good holiness fellowship.

We have been to AMC too. IT was very good. We go to camp meeting in North little Rock too. Won't make it this year though. I have many friend in the WPF.

My fellowship in the UPC are with conservative churches.

A card in a man's pocket means nothing to me, it's the message he preaches.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

We have been to AMC too. IT was very good. We go to camp meeting in North little Rock too. Won't make it this year though. I have many friend in the WPF.

My fellowship in the UPC are with conservative churches.

A card in a man's pocket means nothing to me, it's the message he preaches.

Agreed

[Reader]

Originally Posted by AR Pastor

Don't fellowship libs. Don't mistreat them but don't go to their meetings or have them preach here.

You actually do since you are affiliated with the UPC and there are libs in that group. You may not attend some of their churches, but you are in fellowship with them. Why don't you just hook up with the WPF since you appear to be much more aligned with them in your thinking?

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

My pastor is currently licensed UPC but we have very little fellowship with them. We fellowship WPF, AMF, and GIBs. Our church is independent.

If your pastor holds license with the UPC, the UPC counts the church as one of theirs. UPC Manual. In fact, they are supposed to have a sign on the church, indicating they are UPC.

Why does he remain with a group where he won't fellowship with the people? This makes no sense to me.

If that is 100% true it gives alot of credence to the view that the congregations of saved at faith pastors likely believed the other way and so the pastor intentionally didn't ever mention when salvation occurred?

Read Fudge's book. There were a number who did not keep their views secret and were looked down upon for it. C.H. Yadon was one. The entire Northwest was infiltrated by others because they were known to be "weak on the message."

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith

I have read that many joined the PAW around the time of WWI because the organization had the draft exemption. I have never read this concerning the PAJC. Although there were peacetime drafts, it would not make sense for me for this to be a determining factor for the PAJC to merge--WWII had ended months prior to the merger,

But was the draft yet in effect? If the answer was yes, I could still see it as a factor. There was after war things to take care of and they may have been uneasy as to if peace would last. Just a thought on it.

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I see a gahtering. In my opinion there is more unity among holiness minded Apostolics in the last couple years. Brethren who were divided by organizationl boundaries are enjoying fellowship.

Probably out of necessity since they were essentially cut off from thousands of UPC people. When one's ranks become smaller, one sometimes has to reach out beyond their own group for fellowship. Thus it may appear to be stronger and more teaching holiness stronger because that is all they now see.

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by Reader

You actually do since you are affiliated with the UPC and there are libs in that group. You may not attend some of their churches, but you are in fellowship with them. Why don't you just hook up with the WPF since you appear to be much more aligned with them in your thinking?



If your pastor holds license with the UPC, the UPC counts the church as one of theirs. UPC Manual. In fact, they are supposed to have a sign on the church, indicating they are UPC.

Why does he remain with a group where he won't fellowship with the people? This makes no sense to me.



Read Fudge's book. There were a number who did not keep their views secret and were looked down upon for it. C.H. Yadon was one. The entire Northwest was infiltrated by others because they were known to be "weak on the message."



But was the draft yet in effect? If the answer was yes, I could still see it as a factor. There was after war things to take care of and they may have been uneasy as to if peace would last. Just a thought on it.



Probably out of necessity since they were essentially cut off from thousands of UPC people. When one's ranks become smaller, one sometimes has to reach out beyond their own group for fellowship. Thus it may appear to be stronger and more teaching holiness stronger because that is all they now see.

Just because I am UPC does not mean I fellowship them all.

If you never see each other then what fellowship do you have?

And for me when I say fellowship. I mean I don't run with them. I don't go to their meetings or preach for them and they don't preach for me.

Why leave the UPC I have many friends in the org. I also have many friends that are WPF or ind. I can fellowship like minded men without belonging to their org.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I see a gahtering. In my opinion there is more unity among holiness minded Apostolics in the last couple years. Brethren who were divided by organizationl boundaries are enjoying fellowship.

Of course there are those who are going liberal and falling away too!

well, this is great to hear! Because it is you all who might be termed If my people, who are called by my name...and we could sure use some healing about now. Harbingers don't lie.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I see a gahtering. In my opinion there is more unity among holiness minded Apostolics in the last couple years. Brethren who were divided by organizationl boundaries are enjoying fellowship.

Of course there are those who are going liberal and falling away too!

This is nothing but a "Trend" that will befall in time. When any Group attempts to accept others that have a different set of rules, the Handwriting is on the Wall.

I simply don't understand why we think our Era of time is void of repeating what has already happened.

In the end, Religion will always cut and divide, not bring people together in peace. Until Spectral Evidence is truly clarified within the Ranks of Religion, people will continue to create Dogmas that repel unity.