Truth and Deception

[votivesoul]

One must understand that a tare is a completely different species of plant, that nonetheless, looks exactly like a stalk of wheat, especially before full maturity.

Hence the danger. Children of the devil often look very much like children of God, if and when the children of God yet remain immature and not fully formed into the image of Christ.

This speaks to many of the so-called Christian world who are Christian only in name, but not in life and actions. One must truly be like Christ before he or she can prove they are nothing more than a tare.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

One must understand that a tare is a completely different species of plant, that nonetheless, looks exactly like a stalk of wheat, especially before full maturity.

Hence the danger. Children of the devil often look very much like children of God, if and when the children of God yet remain immature and not fully formed into the image of Christ.

This speaks to many of the so-called Christian world who are Christian only in name, but not in life and actions. One must truly be like Christ before he or she can prove they are nothing more than a tare.

What about this scenario? What if the wheat is the believer, and the tares are (for example) "false doctrine"? Could a believer allow false doctrine in his life, and at the appointed time, the Lord separates the believer from his false doctrine?

You see, parables are like onions, if I may compare the two. There are many layers of meanings that can come forth out of just one simple parable, depending on how creative you want to get.

If you have a message you want to get across, you can find a parable to do so, regardless of whether that was the original intended meaning of the parable or not.

So, I am fine with your definition of what the parable of the tares and the wheat mean to you. But, could you also see that there are other meanings as well, perhaps not so easily visible?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

What about this scenario? What if the wheat is the believer, and the tares are (for example) "false doctrine"? Could a believer allow false doctrine in his life, and at the appointed time, the Lord separates the believer from his false doctrine?

I refer you back to the Scriptures and what Jesus said the tare in the parable represents. Why isn't that sufficient? Did Jesus not know the meaning of His own parable?

You see, parables are like onions, if I may compare the two. There are many layers of meanings that can come forth out of just one simple parable, depending on how creative you want to get.

Sis, that's how false doctrine is created. The Bible does warn against damnable heresies. When we decide that we have the right and even authority to get "creative" with the Word of God, you end up with a Thomas Jefferson Bible, or worse.

If you have a message you want to get across, you can find a parable to do so, regardless of whether that was the original intended meaning of the parable or not.

But I'm not the one trying to create a parable to teach a principle of the Kingdom of God. It was the Christ who spoke the parable. Change and rearrange the given meaning and interpretation and you're not messing with me or my words. You are messing with Him and His Words.

So, I am fine with your definition of what the parable of the tares and the wheat mean to you. But, could you also see that there are other meanings as well, perhaps not so easily visible?

This isn't about what it means to me. It is about what Jesus said the parable means.

No one can honestly and properly follow the Lord Jesus if they intend on changing what He said and re-envisioning and re-interpreting the very simple and basic things He has already, for all time and into eternity, said.

You want to stand in the fire? You want to take up the cross and die, following Jesus wherever the Spirit leads? Awesome. Me, too.

But the first thing that's going to get burned is the hay, wood, and straw being placed on the foundation of His teachings. You can't follow Him if you aren't taking Him at His Word.

It's like saying this: "I know Jesus said X, but I think He meant Y, so I'm going to go with that and see where it takes me".

It will take you somewhere, but it won't take you to Jesus. It will only get you as far as you're willing to walk in your flesh.

No, no one has ALL TRUTH as of this moment. But that's not the issue. The issue is the unwillingness to agree that the things the Lord Jesus said, and the way He interpreted those things for us, are even TRUTH at all.

Jesus says "I am the door of the sheep", and we respond "I was praying about John 10:7 and Jesus said to me "________" (whatever, fill in the blank).

I am telling you, if that blank above that you fill in is anything beside "I am the door of the sheep" you are flat out wrong and out of the will of God and so, are bearing false witness against the Lord.

I can't speak for anyone else. But I fear God too much to do something like that.

[shazeep]

yyyup! and that isn't even the all of it--you then have to get over the inflated head from that new knowledge, because i still prolly have not gotten everything there is, every valid reflection, from said parable.

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I refer you back to the Scriptures and what Jesus said the tare in the parable represents. Why isn't that sufficient? Did Jesus not know the meaning of His own parable?



Sis, that's how false doctrine is created. The Bible does warn against damnable heresies. When we decide that we have the right and even authority to get "creative" with the Word of God, you end up with a Thomas Jefferson Bible, or worse.



But I'm not the one trying to create a parable to teach a principle of the Kingdom of God. It was the Christ who spoke the parable. Change and rearrange the given meaning and interpretation and you're not messing with me or my words. You are messing with Him and His Words.



This isn't about what it means to me. It is about what Jesus said the parable means.

No one can honestly and properly follow the Lord Jesus if they intend on changing what He said and re-envisioning and re-interpreting the very simple and basic things He has already, for all time and into eternity, said.

You want to stand in the fire? You want to take up the cross and die, following Jesus wherever the Spirit leads? Awesome. Me, too.

But the first thing that's going to get burned is the hay, wood, and straw being placed on the foundation of His teachings. You can't follow Him if you aren't taking Him at His Word.

It's like saying this: "I know Jesus said X, but I think He meant Y, so I'm going to go with that and see where it takes me".

It will take you somewhere, but it won't take you to Jesus. It will only get you as far as you're willing to walk in your flesh.

No, no one has ALL TRUTH as of this moment. But that's not the issue. The issue is the unwillingness to agree that the things the Lord Jesus said, and the way He interpreted those things for us, are even TRUTH at all.

Jesus says "I am the door of the sheep", and we respond "I was praying about John 10:7 and Jesus said to me "________" (whatever, fill in the blank).

I am telling you, if that blank above that you fill in is anything beside "I am the door of the sheep" you are flat out wrong and out of the will of God and so, are bearing false witness against the Lord.

I can't speak for anyone else. But I fear God too much to do something like that.

:gag me, wadr

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

This isn't about what it means to me. It is about what Jesus said the parable means.

No one can honestly and properly follow the Lord Jesus if they intend on changing what He said and re-envisioning and re-interpreting the very simple and basic things He has already, for all time and into eternity, said.

Seriously? Yikes.
You pore over the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; yet they speak about Me.
i can't speak for anyone else, but i love God too much to do something like that...