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Old 06-29-2014, 03:28 AM
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Re: Truth and Deception

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Votive, s he did say I understood The Lord to say...
All the more reason to be careful. If a person only thinks they are understanding what the Lord is saying, but doesn't know for sure, then to speak for Him in such a way (in first person) is doubly presumptuous.

I do not say KBTW has done that, however. But if ever we are not certain of God's voice, we had better become certain before we go and quote Him on anything He is supposedly saying, or, as I have been saying all along, we risk completely mis-representing Him to the rest of the world.

I don't know everything, but I do know it's not kosher to go doing that, or even risk doing that, to the Savior of the World (since and because it injures people's ability to have faith in Him when His representatives and messengers, as His ambassadors, don't reflect Him, His will, and His Word properly).

Am I crazy, or what? Shazeep mentioned loving God too much for X (I don't recall his statement in full). I mentioned fearing God too much, as well.

But I also love Him too much, and other people, to risk misrepresenting Him to others, including myself. Better to keep silent.

The flesh has a wonderful way of inventing things that seem spiritual, just enough to make it possible to believe something was from God when it was not, or rather, and worse, that something was from a shadow of God, a God-like construct held in the mind of the believer, version 2.0, in which the person and not God, is determining who and what God is.

As much as God is love and is full of mercy, He is also a jealous God and His name is dreadful among the heathens. But His name is also blasphemed by the heathens because of His covenanted people.

I am trying to call us all to a higher, more accurate standard of faithful representation and ambassadorship. Maybe not everyone cares to come along. But I hope some do.
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Old 06-29-2014, 10:04 AM
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Re: Truth and Deception

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All the more reason to be careful. If a person only thinks they are understanding what the Lord is saying, but doesn't know for sure, then to speak for Him in such a way (in first person) is doubly presumptuous.

I do not say KBTW has done that, however. But if ever we are not certain of God's voice, we had better become certain before we go and quote Him on anything He is supposedly saying, or, as I have been saying all along, we risk completely mis-representing Him to the rest of the world.

I don't know everything, but I do know it's not kosher to go doing that, or even risk doing that, to the Savior of the World (since and because it injures people's ability to have faith in Him when His representatives and messengers, as His ambassadors, don't reflect Him, His will, and His Word properly).

Am I crazy, or what? Shazeep mentioned loving God too much for X (I don't recall his statement in full). I mentioned fearing God too much, as well.

But I also love Him too much, and other people, to risk misrepresenting Him to others, including myself. Better to keep silent.

The flesh has a wonderful way of inventing things that seem spiritual, just enough to make it possible to believe something was from God when it was not, or rather, and worse, that something was from a shadow of God, a God-like construct held in the mind of the believer, version 2.0, in which the person and not God, is determining who and what God is.

As much as God is love and is full of mercy, He is also a jealous God and His name is dreadful among the heathens. But His name is also blasphemed by the heathens because of His covenanted people.

I am trying to call us all to a higher, more accurate standard of faithful representation and ambassadorship. Maybe not everyone cares to come along. But I hope some do.
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