Question?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I don't know who David Byrne is, so I can't answer that.

Ah, Dave is one of those whom the Spirit came to rest on when It was forced out of 'church' music (it having drowned)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6lFjswoB7k

("Watch out; you might get what you're after")

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Regarding immersion in Christ, you would have to explain how you mean it. Are you including water at all, or this immersion you speak of metaphorical?

well, yes. Water is a metaphor, anyway, yes? By all means, declare publicly your desire to follow Christ, and perform the physical ritual as you understand it. But understand it. This recruiting in fear via proselytizing, then 'leading' one into the ritual unprepared and unawares is pointless, imo. But no, it is not metaphorical, too--it is just very hard to do (or even see how to do) in our system, where Christ is so completely obscured. We give newbies herman instead. Introspective, death centered, guilt ridden yack.

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I believe in glossalalia to the utmost degree. Xenoglossalalia, too. So, I'm not sure where you're going with "less like..." unless you share more of what you mean.

Well amen! I happen to believe differently, having tried all that; 'differently, how?' is really not relevant, but i think we have more than one 'speaking in tongues' in Scripture--xenoglossy (or 'the real deal,' to show Pentecost was from God; recorded as occurring first to the Apostles, then to the Jews, then to the Gentiles, in that order), and then praying in the spirit, in ones prayer closet, alone, those groanings without utterance or whatever the word is, that have somehow turned into glossololia. But it is not fruitful for anyone, i have found, to debate the subject much.

I would even agree with the position that 'tongues' will be uttered by one in the Spirit--but i see no reason why 'tongues' cannot be David Byrne saying something in English that seems to make no sense (stop making sense)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdIxQYAGSMc

i find 'helping' someone babble up in the front of a church, or having little kids 2-4 years old 'practice' glossololia to be fruitless--but i would not judge it fruitless for everyone. If it has meaning for you, then it has meaning--it's just something that got pruned off, for me. I found a 'tongues' that felt right for me, and i think others should do the same. And i think the Spirit will lead one into it. And i think if the Spirit is leading you into glossololia in the front of a church, more power to you. I did it; just for whatever reason it did not feel genuine to me. Doesn't mean it's not genuine--maybe it's my problem!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Ah, Dave is one of those whom the Spirit came to rest on when It was forced out of 'church' music...

the point there being that there is only one way, right? But of course you would prolly not accept this description as the one; and i reject yours for whatever reasons. Yet i know you diligently seek God; i at least claim to be doing the same thing. Ergo, possibly our understanding of the definition of this "One Way" might need to be looked at, or even rejected as being impossible to achieve, since we as humans will inevitably define it from a limited point of view, which the Holy Spirit will not have. It is easy to say "the Bible tells me so," but It tells different people different things; who am i to say that you are wrong, if you have the Holy Spirit, and your tree produces fruit? That, to me, is the antithesis of "one way."