Noah and the Ark

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by n david

Not in religion. It's a relationship. And no amount of hot air you blow, no YouTube video you post will ever dissuade me from my relationship with Jesus Christ.

A relationship??? Uh, let me see, you have a relationship with someone you can't see, can't touch, and can't hear.

That is the recipe for a mental disaster, where anything can be said about a relationship that isn't validated with anything but what you think. This is why there is so much confusion in the World in regards to Faith and God.

Human Beings require physical presence to develop healthy relationship(s), as the imagination is an endless vortex of Culture and ideologies developed as a child, which are used to interpret the unknown. Your God is not the God of the Native Americans, at least in thought.

Oh, and whether you like it or not, you are in a Religion. Try leaving and see what happens.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

A relationship??? Uh, let me see, you have a relationship with someone you can't see, can't touch, and can't hear.

Years ago, before TV, Internet and phones that's all a lot of people had for relationships....

They wrote letters

Also your idea can't account for a spiritual relationship based on His presence in our lives and His ability to speak to us through other means than audible words

So yes we have a relationship based on His words. We talk to Him and He communicates to us through many ways

His word
Other people
Dreams/visons
thoughts
and His Spiritual presence in our lives

And BTW, sometimes people Do see His Glory and hear His voice.

[AR Pastor]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Years ago, before TV, Internet and phones that's all a lot of people had for relationships....

They wrote letters

Also your idea can't account for a spiritual relationship based on His presence in our lives and His ability to speak to us through other means than audible words

So yes we have a relationship based on His words. We talk to Him and He communicates to us through many ways

His word
Other people
Dreams/visons
thoughts
and His Spiritual presence in our lives

And BTW, sometimes people Do see His Glory and hear His voice.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Years ago, before TV, Internet and phones that's all a lot of people had for relationships....

They wrote letters

Also your idea can't account for a spiritual relationship based on His presence in our lives and His ability to speak to us through other means than audible words

So yes we have a relationship based on His words. We talk to Him and He communicates to us through many ways

His word
Other people
Dreams/visons
thoughts
and His Spiritual presence in our lives

And BTW, sometimes people Do see His Glory and hear His voice.

Prax, I am through with peoples dreams and visions that go nowhere but the direction they want.

Spiritual presence, thoughts, other people? This is the road to isolated Theories that create a Cult, which benchmarks a Fact with Lies, deceiving those who follow such ideas.

Your analogy allows people to become the victim of no order, even though they think they have order.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Prax, I am through with peoples dreams and visions that go nowhere but the direction they want.

Spiritual presence, thoughts, other people? This is the road to isolated Theories that create a Cult, which benchmarks a Fact with Lies, deceiving those who follow such ideas.

Your analogy allows people to become the victim of no order, even though they think they have order.

Im not really interested in what you are through with.

You have a lot of verbal hand waiving and gestures...you say a lot but nothing really at all

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im not really interested in what you are through with.

You have a lot of verbal hand waiving and gestures...you say a lot but nothing really at all

Then why are you commenting on this Thread?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

A relationship??? Uh, let me see, you have a relationship with someone you can't see, can't touch, and can't hear.

I'm confused. Are you saying you don't have a relationship with God? Did you ever?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm confused. Are you saying you don't have a relationship with God? Did you ever?

Originally Posted by NotforSale

After 35 years of being in the UPC, 20 of those years as a pastor, I was surprised to find how few people knew about our Doctrine and beliefs. The people that might know a little about us, know nothing of the depths of who we really are.

It's easy (sometimes) to reel in a visitor, but just wait until you drop the "Standards" hammer, or the "Tongues". There are so many quirks within our Faith that send people down the road, confused and broken.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I'm aware he was a pastor, but that wasn't my question to him. I'm puzzled how someone can be active in any church for so long but seem to deny what they claimed to have for so many years.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm confused. Are you saying you don't have a relationship with God? Did you ever?

I'm sorry to interrupt, but I would like to know the answer to this, NFS.