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07-21-2014, 01:55 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
Below is a list of people who mentioned Baptism in Jesus name.
(136-160) Valentinius, a Gnostic (he baptized in the name of Jesus Christ)
(160-225) Tertullian, Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus
(218-223) Pope Calixtus I (he baptized in the name of Jesus Christ)
(225–258) Lawrence of Rome (he baptized in the name of Jesus Christ)
(200-258) Cyprian, bishop of Carthage
(254-258) Pope Stephen I (he accepted baptism in Jesus name as valid)
(300-368) Hilary of Poitiers certainly knew of baptism in the name of Jesus.
(340-398) St. Ambrose, Aurelius Ambrosius
(347-407) John Chrysostom Archbishop of Constantinople
(401-417) Pope Innocent I
(354-430) St. Augustine of Hippo
(556-561) Pope Pelagius I
(673-735) The Venerable Bede of England, “The Father of English History”
(675-749) John of Damascus (The golden Mouth)
(741-752) Pope Zachary
(858-867) Pope Nicholas I
(1033-1109) St. Anselm of Canterbury
(1483-1546) Martin Luther the Protestant Reformer
(1530-1591) George Schomann a Socinian theologian
(1599-1647) Thomas Edwards English Puritan clergyman
(1735-1790) Robert Robinson, Historian
(1843-1898) George Thomas Stokes, Professor and Ecclesiastical historian
(1846-1937) Percy Gardner, Professor of Archeology at Cambridge
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07-21-2014, 02:05 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by FlamingZword
Below is a list of people who mentioned Baptism in Jesus name.
(136-160) Valentinius, a Gnostic (he baptized in the name of Jesus Christ)
(160-225) Tertullian, Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus
(218-223) Pope Calixtus I (he baptized in the name of Jesus Christ)
(225–258) Lawrence of Rome (he baptized in the name of Jesus Christ)
(200-258) Cyprian, bishop of Carthage
(254-258) Pope Stephen I (he accepted baptism in Jesus name as valid)
(300-368) Hilary of Poitiers certainly knew of baptism in the name of Jesus.
(340-398) St. Ambrose, Aurelius Ambrosius
(347-407) John Chrysostom Archbishop of Constantinople
(401-417) Pope Innocent I
(354-430) St. Augustine of Hippo
(556-561) Pope Pelagius I
(673-735) The Venerable Bede of England, “The Father of English History”
(675-749) John of Damascus (The golden Mouth)
(741-752) Pope Zachary
(858-867) Pope Nicholas I
(1033-1109) St. Anselm of Canterbury
(1483-1546) Martin Luther the Protestant Reformer
(1530-1591) George Schomann a Socinian theologian
(1599-1647) Thomas Edwards English Puritan clergyman
(1735-1790) Robert Robinson, Historian
(1843-1898) George Thomas Stokes, Professor and Ecclesiastical historian
(1846-1937) Percy Gardner, Professor of Archeology at Cambridge
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I bet most, if not all, of these men were Trinitarian.
I bet they didn't believe the initial evidence doctrine.
Alsp, just because they mentioned baptism in the name of Jesus you assume they believed in baptismal regeneration? You assume they believe exactly as you do because they simple mention the name?
What of the modern Charismatics who baptize in the name of Jesus but don't believe doing so is necessary to salvation? Are they Apostolic, too?
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07-21-2014, 05:15 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Charnock
I bet most, if not all, of these men were Trinitarian.
I bet they didn't believe the initial evidence doctrine.
Alsp, just because they mentioned baptism in the name of Jesus you assume they believed in baptismal regeneration? You assume they believe exactly as you do because they simple mention the name?
What of the modern Charismatics who baptize in the name of Jesus but don't believe doing so is necessary to salvation? Are they Apostolic, too?
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You are an angry guy. 
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07-21-2014, 10:31 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Charnock
I bet most, if not all, of these men were Trinitarian.
I bet they didn't believe the initial evidence doctrine.
Alsp, just because they mentioned baptism in the name of Jesus you assume they believed in baptismal regeneration? You assume they believe exactly as you do because they simple mention the name?
What of the modern Charismatics who baptize in the name of Jesus but don't believe doing so is necessary to salvation? Are they Apostolic, too?
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You raise some interesting points. I have thought it is ironic that a church like the one I am a part of will baptize many more people in Jesus name than the old time Oneness Pentecostal churches in our area even though we do not believe in the three step plan of salvation.
We do believe that baptism is of very great importance and that anyone professing to want to be a Christian and follow Christ would naturally want to be baptized to identify theselves with Christ and to follow his commandments. As my pastor says the question is not does one have to be baptized but why would one not want to be?
So back to the ironic part about the importance old time Oneness Pentecostals give Jesus name baptism and a church like mine. In five years we have baptized around 500 people in Jesus name but yet we are villifieed because of our perspective of it to the point some extremist will most likely try to say the baptism doesn't count.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-22-2014, 04:24 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by CC1
You raise some interesting points. I have thought it is ironic that a church like the one I am a part of will baptize many more people in Jesus name than the old time Oneness Pentecostal churches in our area even though we do not believe in the three step plan of salvation.
We do believe that baptism is of very great importance and that anyone professing to want to be a Christian and follow Christ would naturally want to be baptized to identify theselves with Christ and to follow his commandments. As my pastor says the question is not does one have to be baptized but why would one not want to be?
So back to the ironic part about the importance old time Oneness Pentecostals give Jesus name baptism and a church like mine. In five years we have baptized around 500 people in Jesus name but yet we are villifieed because of our perspective of it to the point some extremist will most likely try to say the baptism doesn't count.
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I will confess ignorance on this I am conflicted since baptism remits past sins when done in Jesus Name I don't know if the person being baptized and the baptized has to believe that or not for the baptism to be valid?
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07-31-2014, 11:09 PM
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Yeshua is God
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Charnock
I bet most, if not all, of these men were Trinitarian.
I bet they didn't believe the initial evidence doctrine.
Alsp, just because they mentioned baptism in the name of Jesus you assume they believed in baptismal regeneration? You assume they believe exactly as you do because they simple mention the name?
What of the modern Charismatics who baptize in the name of Jesus but don't believe doing so is necessary to salvation? Are they Apostolic, too?
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I do not assume anything, you just assume that I assume.
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