Is there going to be a rapture????

[kclee4jc]

ok.

I believe there will be one second coming at the end of the tribulation when Jesus comes to establish His Kingdom.

As to the OP and the question of the rapture. I believe in a rapture but I do not care for the term because of the connotations that go along with it in the theological world today. I do not believe we will be "caught away" but we will be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. It is more about the change that takes place, when mortality becomes immortality than it is the actual catching up. After Jesus gathers His bride to himself in the air, we will immediately return with him and war will be waged on earth and His earthly Kingdom will be established.

I do not believe in two phases to the second coming or two phases to the First Resurrection.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

ok.

I believe there will be one second coming at the end of the tribulation when Jesus comes to establish His Kingdom.

As to the OP and the question of the rapture. I believe in a rapture but I do not care for the term because of the connotations that go along with it in the theological world today. I do not believe we will be "caught away" but we will be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. It is more about the change that takes place, when mortality becomes immortality than it is the actual catching up. After Jesus gathers His bride to himself in the air, we will immediately return with him and war will be waged on earth and His earthly Kingdom will be established.


Amen to the above post

I do not believe in two phases to the second coming or two phases to the First Resurrection.

I understand your post trib point of view, but maybe consider this here.....


30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


I think the GROUP of verse 31 is the SAME group as Matt 25 here.....31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:



But please notice the "taking away" of the bride first...25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. This is our 2nd coming

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

ok.

I believe there will be one second coming at the end of the tribulation when Jesus comes to establish His Kingdom.

As to the OP and the question of the rapture. I believe in a rapture but I do not care for the term because of the connotations that go along with it in the theological world today. I do not believe we will be "caught away" but we will be "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air. It is more about the change that takes place, when mortality becomes immortality than it is the actual catching up. After Jesus gathers His bride to himself in the air, we will immediately return with him and war will be waged on earth and His earthly Kingdom will be established.

I do not believe in two phases to the second coming or two phases to the First Resurrection.

Nails it