Is there going to be a rapture????

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Sounds more like JW doctrine to me ... you die & if you're not saved then that's the end for you. Causes me to wonder, Where is God's justice in that?

No one said that. There will be a judgment day and the wicked cast into Hell fire. I just believe like Jesus that their soul shall be destroyed while they are there.

I say almost no one believes in ANY kind of Hell. If they did they would live in obedience to Christ.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

No one said that. There will be a judgment day and the wicked cast into Hell fire. I just believe like Jesus that their soul shall be destroyed while they are there.

I say almost no one believes in ANY kind of Hell. If they did they would live in obedience to Christ.

MTD, just where is it written that Jesus stated the souls which would be cast into hell's flames will be destroyed while they are there? It would be most helpful if you would give scriptural passages in support of your claims, else its just your word against whomsoever differs.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Lafon

MTD, just where is it written that Jesus stated the souls which would be cast into hell's flames will be destroyed while they are there? It would be most helpful if you would give scriptural passages in support of your claims, else its just your word against whomsoever differs.

Eternal judgment deserves its own thread.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Eternal judgment deserves its own thread.

You introduced this matter into this discussion concerning Bro Eastman's question about an "alleged" rapture, so why are you refusing to respond to a legitimate question regarding your own statement? I'm not trying to be contentious, simply trying to have you clarify something that you have asserted as if it were an indisputable scriptural truth?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Lafon

You introduced this matter into this discussion concerning Bro Eastman's question about an "alleged" rapture, so why are you refusing to respond to a legitimate question regarding your own statement? I'm not trying to be contentious, simply trying to have you clarify something that you have asserted as if it were an indisputable scriptural truth?

Where did I introduce the topic of eternal judgment in this thread? I thought I responded to a question about it.

Nonetheless HERE is where I get the idea that souls are destroyed in Hell.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt 10:28



There it is! Do you now believe?

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Where did I introduce the topic of eternal judgment in this thread? I thought I responded to a question about it.

Nonetheless HERE is where I get the idea that souls are destroyed in Hell.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt 10:28



There it is! Do you now believe?

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28, KJV)

The English word "destroy" (a verb), is defined in Webster's Dictionary as "to put an end to: ruin." The Greek word from which it has been translated is "apollumi," a strengthened form of the Greek word "ollumi," and signifies "to destroy utterly;" in the Middle Voice" it implies "to perish."

The idea is not extinction but ruin, loss, not of being, but of well-being. This is clear from its use, as, e.g., of the marring of wine skins, Luke 5:37; of lost sheep, i.e., lost to the shepherd, metaphorical of spiritual destitution, of the loss of well-being in the case of the unsaved hereafter.

Therefore the word "destroy," as used by Jesus Christ in the referenced scriptural text, does not mean or convey "annihilation," which implies "complete destruction, or disintegration" of the substantive body and invisible soul of man in the fires of hell, as you assert. Simply because you believe that it does is not cause for me, or others, to accept your understanding of this word.

It is not my objective to "make light" of your understanding, rather to voice my differing view for the consideration of its merits by yourself and others.

Seeing that God created the invisible soul of mankind, male and female, in His image and after His likeness (Genesis 1:26-27), then is it unreasonable for one to infer that the soul is eternal for He is eternal, and as such, cannot ever be brought to nothing?

Respectfully submitted.

[Michael The Disciple]

Allow Christ to set the definition please.

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28, KJV)

In light of the sentence context I believe HE has shown us what he meant by "destroy".


The Greek word is no. 622 in Strongs. The first 2 meanings are to "destroy fully" and to "perish".

Many verses in the New Testament show this word to destroy as to kill or be killed.

Peace and love.