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Old 09-04-2014, 02:16 PM
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Re: A Few Thoughts To Ponder

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Have you ever wondered whether we will actually recognize and/or know each other in heaven? I remember the apostles had a difficult time recognizing Jesus after his resurrection. Seriously, there will be millions of saints there. How will we find each other? Will we remember each other? A few people have quoted 1Corinthians 13:12 to affirm that we will know each other, but have you really studied that scripture?

Another thought that popped into my mind while reading the following…….

1 Corinthians 15:42

42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.

1Corinthinas 15:50-54

50 I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:“Death is swallowed up in victory.”



Notice the bolded words. The imperishable can’t inherit the perishable, but at the sound of the trumpet, only then shall we become imperishable. After the trumpet sounds, the dead and living shall be transformed. The perishable must put on the imperishable and the mortal must put on immortality.

How can an individual after death inherit an imperishable heaven when they have not been changed into imperishable status? According to the bible, we are changed into imperishable status only after the trumpet sounds. Prior to the trumpet sounding, the bible reads that, “nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable,” which signifies that we are imperishable prior to the trumpet sounding.

Do the saints really go to heaven after their death……….hmm……..lol
No they don't. They sleep the sleep of death until Jesus comes in the resurrection.
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Old 09-04-2014, 09:13 PM
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Re: A Few Thoughts To Ponder

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No they don't. They sleep the sleep of death until Jesus comes in the resurrection.
Like pretty much everything else in the bible the idea of "soul sleep" is debatable with a lot of different views.
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Old 09-05-2014, 08:06 AM
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Like pretty much everything else in the bible the idea of "soul sleep" is debatable with a lot of different views.
Isn't that because most people fail to obey the commandment of Proverbs 3:5?

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; AND LEAN NOT UNTO THINE OWN UNDERSTANDING ?

Trusting in our (inherited) carnal mind for the understanding of the principles of God's written Word, instead of SEEKING, ASKING, & KNOCKING, as commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:7), will ALWAYS bring about "different views"!
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