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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Not true. Many "evangelicals" believe baptism is a sign you already are a Christian.

Yes...that is still an initiation.

They believe God baptized that person into the Church. The water baptism would be their way of accepting that Person as a brother to the local congregation (and by extension the rest at large)

They all believe that

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes...that is still an initiation.

They believe God baptized that person into the Church. The water baptism would be their way of accepting that Person as a brother to the local congregation (and by extension the rest at large)

They all believe that

That's not "Christian initiation " which about becoming a Christian, that would be "initiation as a member of a local assembly" and those evangelicals make that explicitly clear.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

That's not "Christian initiation " which about becoming a Christian, that would be "initiation as a member of a local assembly" and those evangelicals make that explicitly clear.

Not necessarily. Its really all about how you use Initiation

Entering someone into the kingdom of God or a part of the churches initiation ritual.

All groups believe baptism is necessary, just not necessary for salvation, but an necessary part of being a Christian just like going to church and prayer etc etc. You don't have to DO those before being saved.