Image of the Beast

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Gone except for these poor folks

7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them.

and these poor folks These poor folks could be the 144, 000 Jews that are maryted.....Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.


Rev12...This may be the persecuted 144,000....13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 20....This may be the earthly demise of the 144,000.....and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.





25'He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26 (saints=144,000)?....probably.

This sounds like Nero right? NOPE

23 “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. 24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. 25 He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.[b]

26 “‘But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. 27 Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’

I guess the Council of Nicea and subsequent rise of church rule after Nero wasn't really what the subsequent author was referring to though. Probably not.

Probably not is really absolutely not bro. All we got was a reign of Catholics representing Christianity for 2000 years....LOL(if it wasnt for the invention of the printing press, we would all still be Catholics and the Lords' kingdom would still be dominated by the Pope and his edicts)




I have already debated preterism and got run out of there by a crazy guy. I was immediately replaced the same day by pastor febus,,,LOL. See what happens when we run off the voice of reason?...LOL

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Sean

Probably not is really absolutely not bro. All we got was a reign of Catholics representing Christianity for 2000 years....LOL(if it wasnt for the invention of the printing press, we would all still be Catholics and the Lords' kingdom would still be dominated by the Pope and his edicts)




I have already debated preterism and got run out of there by a crazy guy. I was immediately replaced the same day by pastor febus,,,LOL. See what happens when we run off the voice of reason?...LOL

<grin> Things are improving.

After a 13-year investigation that I am sure was conducted in a most painstaking manner by the most brilliant scholars that the church has to offer Pope John Paul II finally pardoned Galileo! (and officially conceded that the earth, in fact, is not the center of the universe.

ROME, Oct. 31, 1991

Moving formally to rectify a wrong, Pope John Paul II acknowledged in a speech today that the Roman Catholic Church had erred in condemning Galileo 359 years ago for asserting that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

The address by the Pope before the Pontifical Academy of Sciences closed a 13-year investigation into the Church's condemnation of Galileo in 1633, one of history's most notorious conflicts between faith and science. Galileo was forced to recant his scientific findings to avoid being burned at the stake and spent the remaining eight years of his life under house arrest.

The Church eventually lifted the ban on Galileo's Dialogue in 1822, when it was common knowledge that the Earth was not the center of the Universe. Still later, there were statements by the Vatican Council in the early 1960's and in 1979 that implied that Galileo was pardoned, and that he had suffered at the hands of the Church. Finally, in 1992, three years after Galileo Galilei's namesake spacecraft had been launched on its way to Jupiter, the Vatican formally and publicly cleared Galileo of any wrongdoing.

On 31 October 1992, Pope John Paul II expressed regret for how the Galileo affair was handled, and officially conceded that the Earth was not stationary, as the result of a study conducted by the Pontifical Council for Culture.[104][105] Pope Benedict XVI later praised Galileo.