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Old 10-24-2014, 07:45 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe

Jesus is the Father.
Jesus is the Son.
Jesus is the Holy Ghost.
All Three are One.

Classical Oneness point of view, right?

But aren't there Oneness Pentecostals who don't believe like this?
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe

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Jesus is the Father.
Jesus is the Son.
Jesus is the Holy Ghost.
All Three are One.

Classical Oneness point of view, right?

But aren't there Oneness Pentecostals who don't believe like this?
We sang it differently.

"He's God in the Father.
He's God in the Son
He's God in the Holy Ghost
and all these three are one"

But that is part of Oneness problems is we relied on songs and catch phrases to teach theology
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson View Post
Jesus is the Father.
Jesus is the Son.
Jesus is the Holy Ghost.
All Three are One.

Classical Oneness point of view, right?

But aren't there Oneness Pentecostals who don't believe like this?
Jesus is the name given to the Son of God. This name embodies the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form.

Colossians 2.9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Yet Paul in his address starts out using the distinctions. Because he understood them he was not afraid to state them without it affecting his monotheistic heritage.

Colossians 1.2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

He understood the humanity of "our Lord Jesus Christ" and the divinity that united with the flesh who he also calls Him "God and Father of". Paul uses God denoting his unchanging nature, that of his divine essence it forever remains the same. Yet in his manifestation He is Father of the only begotten. We are created and can be filled with the Holy Ghost, Jesus is begotten which in essence gives him the same DNA spiritually fully being one with his Father. That same God from whom his unique origin comes from.

Paul States "We give thanks to God". He then qualifies this statement with "and Father". We obviously can grasp the revelation of God in his operation of being the Father of "our Lord" once again qualifying and equating Him yet showing his distinction of "Jesus Christ". Jesus the man who is qualified by the term Christ in Greek which is the same as the Messiah in Hebrew. The anointed one.

He then goes on urging the Colossians to be filled with the knowledge of his will and increasing in the knowledge of God.

1.9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

Then he describes his revelation.

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: note

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. note

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
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