Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

But if the spirit of the Father was in Jesus, and the spirit of Jesus/the spirit of Father is in us, why would we not be all heirs of God? Why would Paul make a difference between heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ?

If they killed us everyone would yet be in their sins they slew Him it forgave everyone's sins. We have His fulness we are not His fulness.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

But if the spirit of the Father was in Jesus, and the spirit of Jesus/the spirit of Father is in us, why would we not be all heirs of God? Why would Paul make a difference between heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ?

I see your point. I believe Paul is drawing a "distinction" (not a separation) between the man Jesus Christ (the Son of God) and the God who is the indwelling Father.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I understand Jesus is making a declaration that goes beyond the obvious He cannot be good unless He is God.
But to help you I am the GOOD Shepherd. Jn.10:11
His birth was without sin, His life was without sin, only time He experienced sin was as the sin offering and sin bearer at Calvary. So tell us in what way Jesus was not good?

Bro. Epley. I am pointing out the humanity of Jesus. The GOD INSIDE was the goodness of Jesus. Yes, Jesus was sinless, but he never declared HIMSELF as a human man to be good. He was implying only DIVINITY is considered good.

Thats how I see it.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If they killed us everyone would yet be in their sins they slew Him it forgave everyone's sins. We have His fulness we are not His fulness.

Yes, I believe we have the fullness of the Spirit of the Father/Jesus in us. It just seems to make no sense why Paul would say that we are joint-heirs with Jesus. This seems to put us and Jesus on the same level, with God elevated on a different level.

[Sean]

We have folks here on AFF that think we believe in DIVINE FLESH

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I see your point. I believe Paul is drawing a "distinction" (not a separation) between the man Jesus Christ (the Son of God) and the God who is the indwelling Father.

Yes, obviously God is a spirit, and Jesus was manifesting the spirit of God in the flesh.

But why Paul chose to put God on one level, and Jesus/believers on a different level together seems to imply something else. This is part of the problem why those such as Mormons think we can become "as Jesus" or God. It is wordings like these that make these things a problem.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Yes, I believe we have the fullness of the Spirit of the Father/Jesus in us. It just seems to make no sense why Paul would say that we are joint-heirs with Jesus. This seems to put us and Jesus on the same level, with God elevated on a different level.

We do not have the FULLNESS in us bodily, but we have the Holy Ghost, just like Jesus did in Luke 4:1.

We are not sinless, but declared sin free in Rom.6


The Lord is, to an extent, leveling the playing field for us and putting us on equal footing with him.

This should be addressed also.

[Aquila]

When we properly understand the "oneness" between God the Father and the man Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son... we can grasp the essential goal of Christianity and purpose of being born of the Spirit. In the end (the Eternal State) every born again believer will be perfectly conformed into the very image and likeness of Jesus, partaking in the fullness of the divine nature. The fullness of this reality will be experienced upon what is theologically called "Glorification" (although it may be experienced now to some degree in accordance to one's faith). This is also know as Christian "sanctification"... the process of increasingly becoming like Jesus Himself through the transformation of one's mind, bringing an alignment between the mind (soul) and the indwelling essence of God (as found through the Holy Spirit's presence in one's own regenerated spirit). It is a process. Learning to walk in the Spirit can be challenging. There are days of great spiritual growth and oneness with God... and days of stagnation and sense of carnal distinction. This humbles us and brings us to our knees. It forces us to accept who and what we truly are under the loving shadow of grace. This honesty before God allows for grace to cover us through the blood of Jesus... and opens us up for additional transformation.

No adherence to a legalistic set of rules can bring this depth of spiritual experience or sense of spiritual wellbeing.

This mode of living is called by many, "Living Incarnationally". That means literally advancing in oneness with God, through Christ, as one experiences the reality of the incarnation... within themselves. This reality fully unfolds the truth behind being sons and daughters of God in Christ Jesus, our Lord. Incarnational Christian spirituality is the very essence and meaning of what Christianity is truly all about. It's not rules or legalistic standards that tend to vary according to who is teaching the Bible. Instead, it is a change of identity and being. Here, Pentecost has lost the spiritual dimension of holiness as we have retreated into legalism and identity through religion. The major concern I have for Apostolic Pentecostals is that most are being conformed into the image and likeness of their particular organization or pastor... and not the image of Christ Jesus Himself. This is an insidious and subtle form of idolatry. The greatest defeat would be to one day be told by the Lord that one was an excellent Apostolic Pentecostal... and then be told by a saddened Jesus, "But I am not Apostolic Pentecostal".

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Yes, obviously God is a spirit, and Jesus was manifesting the spirit of God in the flesh.

But why Paul chose to put God on one level, and Jesus/believers on a different level together seems to imply something else. This is part of the problem why those such as Mormons think we can become "as Jesus" or God. It is wordings like these that make these things a problem.

Categorically speaking, we do become like Christ upon glorification, having partaken in the divine nature and at that point experiencing its fullness. However, we do not become absorbed into God to the point of loosing our distinction as individual beings.

[Sean]

This is a great thread, but I gotta go to work. The kids are getting skinny. SEE YA