Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If they killed us everyone would yet be in their sins they slew Him it forgave everyone's sins. We have His fulness we are not His fulness.

Yes, I believe we have the fullness of the Spirit of the Father/Jesus in us. It just seems to make no sense why Paul would say that we are joint-heirs with Jesus. This seems to put us and Jesus on the same level, with God elevated on a different level.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Yes, I believe we have the fullness of the Spirit of the Father/Jesus in us. It just seems to make no sense why Paul would say that we are joint-heirs with Jesus. This seems to put us and Jesus on the same level, with God elevated on a different level.

We do not have the FULLNESS in us bodily, but we have the Holy Ghost, just like Jesus did in Luke 4:1.

We are not sinless, but declared sin free in Rom.6


The Lord is, to an extent, leveling the playing field for us and putting us on equal footing with him.

This should be addressed also.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sean

We do not have the FULLNESS in us bodily, but we have the Holy Ghost, just like Jesus did in Luke 4:1.

We are not sinless, but declared sin free in Rom.6


The Lord is, to an extent, leveling the playing field for us and putting us on equal footing with him.

This should be addressed also.

Yes, there are "wordings" in Paul's writing which open up the possibility of man becoming "as God". This of course, I do not believe. I believe we have the quality of the Godhead within us, but not the complete quantity of God.

I would never want to put myself on an even level with Christ. Yet, it is passages like the one we are discussing that opens up this up.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Yes, I believe we have the fullness of the Spirit of the Father/Jesus in us. It just seems to make no sense why Paul would say that we are joint-heirs with Jesus. This seems to put us and Jesus on the same level, with God elevated on a different level.

An in depth study of soteriological theosis can shed a lot of light on why we are elevated to the same level as Jesus in Paul's writing and provide a biblical ontological framework for how this occurs. An ancient theologian once said, "God became a man... so that man could become God." God lowered Himself to dwell in a human vessel... so that He might elevate all human beings who come to Him... into Himself.