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10-29-2014, 09:55 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Jesus said, John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one. (KJV) Jesus went on to say that this "oneness" was more than merely a union in purpose, mind, or desire. In fact, it is a union of being: John 12:45
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. (KJV) Let's look at how Jesus explained this "oneness" to Phillip: John 14:7-10
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (KJV) Therefore, while both the Father and the Son are distinct, it is through this union of being that the Father shares in all that the Son is... and the Son shares in all that the Father is.
So, with the above in mind, let's look at your questions:
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Your theology is contradictory. It's a logical contradiction. You in essence told me Father and Son are the same Person. Father and Son are NOT the same Person
That violates the law of non-contradiction
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-30-2014, 06:19 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Your theology is contradictory. It's a logical contradiction. You in essence told me Father and Son are the same Person. Father and Son are NOT the same Person
That violates the law of non-contradiction
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If I have two glasses, one half filled with wine... the other with water. And I pour them both into the second glass. Is the second glass wine or water?
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10-30-2014, 03:40 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
If I have two glasses, one half filled with wine... the other with water. And I pour them both into the second glass. Is the second glass wine or water?
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You aren't addressing the contradiction. You argued they are One Person then said they are not One Person but two.
using that analogy but not explaining your answers and the contradiction, just makes it all that more confused
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-31-2014, 07:14 AM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
You aren't addressing the contradiction. You argued they are One Person then said they are not One Person but two.
using that analogy but not explaining your answers and the contradiction, just makes it all that more confused
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Prax, go back and read what I said carefully. Then get back to me.
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10-31-2014, 07:47 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Prax, go back and read what I said carefully. Then get back to me.
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I asked "Is He who died the same He who Eternally existed as God? " and you said YES
I then asked "Or is HE who died someone OTHER than God?" and you said yes.
That is a contradiction. You are in essence saying They are the same Person. They are NOT the same Person
They are the same HE, they are not the same He.
That violates the law of non-contradiction.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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