Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The human person ofJesus is fashioned in the express image of God's own person.

Therefore, although we see the human person of the Son and the divine person of the Father, God's own person is revealed in...both.

They are one in that there is a union of spiritual being.

One divine person revealed in absolute divinity and full humanity, all in the person of the man, Christ Jesus. Jesus is therefore both man and God.

Still two persons

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Still two persons

I have not followed all the posts. Forgive me, but are you saying dual nature demands two persons? I do not see that at all. Christ's person is not restricted to any specific nature. He is one person who manifested as a human being, but His person remains one and the same as God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I have not followed all the posts. Forgive me, but are you saying dual nature demands two persons?

No. Im saying Aquila believes Father and Son are two persons

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Still two persons

If "person" is defined as a self-conscious reality, yes, two "persons". However, only one divine person revealed in both. One is human, the other divine. Two distinct personalities that mutually indwell one another. Jesus said,

John 14:11
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

This is plain language. "I am IN the Father", and, "the Father in me". That is quite different from saying, "I am the Father, and, "the Father is me".

Do you believe we see two self-conscious realities relating to one anther when we behold both the Father and the Son?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If "person" is defined as a self-conscious reality, yes, two "persons". However, only one divine person revealed in both.

That is a self contradiction. Two persons yet one divine person in both?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If "person" is defined as a self-conscious reality, yes, two "persons". However, only one divine person revealed in both. One is human, the other divine. Two distinct personalities that mutually indwell one another. Jesus said,

John 14:11
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

This is plain language. "I am IN the Father", and, "the Father in me". That is quite different from saying, "I am the Father, and, "the Father is me".

Do you believe we see two self-conscious realities relating to one anther when we behold both the Father and the Son?

So you believe in 2 persons

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So you believe in 2 persons

I truly believe in the reality of the man, Jesus Christ... and His Father, God Almighty.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I truly believe in the reality of the man, Jesus Christ... and His Father, God Almighty.

I agree but add that Jesus is his own Father as well as mine.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I agree but add that Jesus is his own Father as well as mine.

I look at it like this... we both can say that Jesus is His own Father. However, how we define that reality differs. I believe that Jesus is His own Father because He is "one" with the Father, partaking in all that the Father is. So Jesus is both the Son of God... and is also the Father. He is both man and God.

If you walked the earth with Jesus, you'd get to know Him as a man. He'd teach. He'd laugh. He'd eat. He'd use the restroom. He'd sleep. He'd rest. He'd pray and speak of His Heavenly Father. He'd express love for His Heavenly Father. He'd even have conversations with His Heavenly Father. He'd fast. He'd cry. He'd sweat. He'd bleed. However... at times you'd feel something otherworldly emanating from deep within Him. Something emanating from deep within the very core of His being. Something powerful. Something that has authority over all creation. Something that speaks to the winds... bringing them into obedience. Something that raises the dead and heals all manner of sickness. Something indescribable. You'd sense GOD Himself at the core of Christ's own person. You'd realize that He is more than just a man. He is also... God.

However, keep in mind...God did not reside in Christ as a vehicle. God resided in and permeated Christ's very being. A Oneness so complete, so majestic, and so divine that in Christ it can be said that God became a man... and that this very same man was also God.

No other religion elevates Christ to such an infinite height of majesty and honor. No other religion expresses Christ's true person to such an infinite degree. Most religions merely make Christ a prophet. No... Christ was not just a prophet. Christ was the human tabernacle of God Himself. To deny this imperils the soul... and reduces Christ to being either a lunatic or a liar.

All authority and power has been delivered to Christ Jesus. He will judge Krishna. He will judge Buddha. He will judge Mohammed. He will judge Nanak. He will judge the followers of every false prophet and madman. He will judge all men in accordance to the Father's will as it relates to the Gospel. Through Him, the Father will judge. Because they are one

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Who can find anything unbiblical about this understanding? So far, I've been told that it contradicts "Oneness Theology". However, I have yet to be told that this understanding contradicts the Bible itself.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I agree but add that Jesus is his own Father as well as mine.

So you believe in two persons...(Because that is what Aquila is saying and you agree)