Oh WAKE UP people!!

seguidordejesus · #1 11-19-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Let believers sit and do nothing, then hear them cry when persecution comes.

There's no excuse for lack of informative involvement in politics or civil discourse.

The Apostle Paul was very knowledgeable of politics, and used that knowledge to his advantage.

He used it to benefit the kingdom of God, not to make changes in the civil government, other than witness to those in power that he came in contact with.

n david · #2 11-19-2014, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

He used it to benefit the kingdom of God, not to make changes in the civil government, other than witness to those in power that he came in contact with.

Doesn't take away from the fact that he was informed and used his political knowledge for both his personal benefit (to save his life) and as you state, to benefit the kingdom of God.

Paul's ministry was to build the early church. That was his role. We all have various roles, which include being active in civil government. How else can there be good rulers as apposed to the evil rulers, if Christians were not to be involved in civil government.

Rudy · #3 11-19-2014, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Doesn't take away from the fact that he was informed and used his political knowledge for both his personal benefit (to save his life) and as you state, to benefit the kingdom of God.

Paul's ministry was to build the early church. That was his role. We all have various roles, which include being active in civil government. How else can there be good rulers as apposed to the evil rulers, if Christians were not to be involved in civil government.

John 19:9-11 (New King James Version
9 and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, “Where are You from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?” 11 Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above

Originalist · #4 11-19-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

John 19:9-11 (New King James Version
9 and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, “Where are You from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?” 11 Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above

I understand the point but how do we determine the context? If our country is being invaded is that in God's plan and we must not resist?

Rudy · #5 11-19-2014, 10:15 AM

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I understand the point but how do we determine the context? If our country is being invaded is that in God's plan and we must not resist?

1. Did our Lord resist?

2. We are of a spiritual kingdom?

n david · #6 11-19-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

John 19:9-11 (New King James Version
9 and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, “Where are You from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?” 11 Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above

Again, a scripture posted which contains a statement with which no one disagrees. Absolutely true; Pilate had no power over Jesus without it being given him.

That doesn't mean we are to be lazy and do nothing in civil government.

Rudy · #7 11-19-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Again, a scripture posted which contains a statement with which no one disagrees. Absolutely true; Pilate had no power over Jesus without it being given him.

That doesn't mean we are to be lazy and do nothing in civil government.

Did God make a mistake appointing Pilate?

seguidordejesus · #8 11-19-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Doesn't take away from the fact that he was informed and used his political knowledge for both his personal benefit (to save his life) and as you state, to benefit the kingdom of God.

Paul's ministry was to build the early church. That was his role. We all have various roles, which include being active in civil government. How else can there be good rulers as apposed to the evil rulers, if Christians were not to be involved in civil government.

You don't have to be a Christian to be a good ruler. Source: the Bible.