Original Sin

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Loren has many great truths, but in this one regarding the spiritual body he is in error. My opinion, of course.

But so are you in error when you do not believe God intended for Adam to rule the earth forevermore. Again, you are not answering me, unless I missed it. Where will we spend eternity future?

The irony of it all. Thank you though for the first statement. Concerning the second statement, do you not believe Adam (mankind) is presently ruling the world? At what point in the history of mankind have we lost dominion of the earth?

On one hand scripture states that of his kingdom there is no end, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against the kingdom of God. While the world has tried over the centuries to stamp out the kingdom of God, God's kingdom has prevailed. The kingdom of God has prevailed in ages past and will continue to grow in ages to come.

On the other hand, to say mankind does not rule the world, would in my opinion be an understatement. Mankind has tamed the most ferocious of beast, harnessed the elements, and established himself as the most dominate creature on the earth. The question should not be are we in dominion, because I believe we are. But rather will we preserve the earth for ages to come.

Concerning the Resurrection, fulfilled eschatology teachers refer to the time stamps within scripture time and time again I wonder why they do not do so concerning the resurrection. Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live". Using the same principle we use when we quote, "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". Was not the resurrection to happen at this same time?
For most Christians the only reason they do not believe the resurrection happened at that time is because there is not recorded a bodily resurrection that was seen.
We have a unscriptural mind set that at the resurrection these bodies are going to break out of the graves so that the world will know that the resurrection has happened. But by the very fact that some in the early church were teaching that the resurrection had already past, should led us to understand that even then the early church did not think the resurrection would be something visible.
The fact is there was a visible representation of the resurrection, after the resurrection of Christ, where many that had died rose from the grave and were seen of many.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

The irony of it all. Thank you though for the first statement. Concerning the second statement, do you not believe Adam (mankind) is presently ruling the world? At what point in the history of mankind have we lost dominion of the earth?

We lost dominion in Genesis 3. Man now does not rule the earth but the earth and sin rules him. Man is ruled by PLANTS! Drugs. Man is ruled by HIS sex organs!! Lust and adultery and fornication of ever kind. Man is ruled by CIRCUMSTANCES like sickness.

Man cannot even rule his own spirit. He is not ruling the earth well at all, if at all. Nation continues to war against nation. Great dominion, Adam!

On one hand scripture states that of his kingdom there is no end, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against the kingdom of God. While the world has tried over the centuries to stamp out the kingdom of God, God's kingdom has prevailed. The kingdom of God has prevailed in ages past and will continue to grow in ages to come.

That is the interim kingdom in the spirit where we now are kings and priests... .well some believers, anyway. Kingdom-future kills that for the most. But when all is done, we shall rule the earth literally as we now gain power over sin, the flesh, devils and sickness.

On the other hand, to say mankind does not rule the world, would in my opinion be an understatement. Mankind has tamed the most ferocious of beast, harnessed the elements, and established himself as the most dominate creature on the earth. The question should not be are we in dominion, because I believe we are. But rather will we preserve the earth for ages to come.

I disagree for reasons stated above.

Concerning the Resurrection, fulfilled eschatology teachers refer to the time stamps within scripture time and time again I wonder why they do not do so concerning the resurrection. Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live". Using the same principle we use when we quote, "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom". Was not the resurrection to happen at this same time?

For most Christians the only reason they do not believe the resurrection happened at that time is because there is not recorded a bodily resurrection that was seen.

We have a unscriptural mind set that at the resurrection these bodies are going to break out of the graves so that the world will know that the resurrection has happened. But by the very fact that some in the early church were teaching that the resurrection had already past, should led us to understand that even then the early church did not think the resurrection would be something visible.

The fact is there was a visible representation of the resurrection, after the resurrection of Christ, where many that had died rose from the grave and were seen of many.

It is not unscriptural. There are two resurrections. NON PHYSICAL AND PHYSICAL.

NON PHYSICAL - SALVATION:
Joh 5:24-29 KJV Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (25) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (26) For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; (27) And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.


PHYSICAL FROM GRAVES:
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Notice he said NOW IS in the first instance, nut not he second because the second is FUTURE ALONE.

[Godsdrummer]

We have gotten off the subject of this thread Maybe we should start a new thread. With the last few posting on the resurrection moved over.