Why I am Now Convinced of a Pre-Trib Rapture

[Michael The Disciple]

I will start by saying PITIFUL. Just pitiful. These are the same recycled arguments pre tribs have always made.

First does not mean first. Last does not mean last.....

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I will start by saying PITIFUL. Just pitiful. These are the same recycled arguments pre tribs have always made.

First does not mean first. Last does not mean last.....

Mike, I appreciate you and your beliefs concerning the matter, I would also like to point out that many of the post-trib questions that baffled even me were answered in Todd's blog. Therefore, I must conclude that with the answers posted above, I am confident in a Pre-Trib rapture. I've seen both arguments and now am satisfied with Todd and his blog. God bless you my friend.

[Bowas]

Quote from article:

"...Nowhere in the Bible does it directly say that the Church will be raptured before the tribulation.

Pre-trib opponents should have thought this one through because any pre-tribulationist has the same right to say, "Nowhere in the Bible does it directly say the Church will go through the tribulation."

Both statements are true as "the tribulation" spoken of by Jesus was not referring to the Church to go through or not.
That was one of the most difficult things I had to comprehend as I had always been taught is was. Don't get me wrong, there is a rapture, but it is not contingent on the timing of "the great tribulation."
Re-read Matt 23 & 24 and see to whom it was addressed and when Jesus said they could expect to see it.

(I have held both views in times past)

[rdp]

*I honestly don't see how anyone could espouse a "pre-tribulation rapture" of the saints using their Bible....& I used to be a "pre-tribber" until I researched the matter for myself in the original languages of the Bible. See the following essay which destroys virtually every-single argument used by pre-tribbers (e.g., the initial posts on this thread)...extremely scholarly paper.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/po...Arnold-III.pdf

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by rdp

*I honestly don't see how anyone could espouse a "pre-tribulation rapture" of the saints using their Bible....& I used to be a "pre-tribber" until I researched the matter for myself in the original languages of the Bible. See the following essay which destroys virtually every-single argument used by pre-tribbers (e.g., the initial posts on this thread)...extremely scholarly paper.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/po...Arnold-III.pdf

The more I think about it I lean towards a mid-trib.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Mike, I appreciate you and your beliefs concerning the matter, I would also like to point out that many of the post-trib questions that baffled even me were answered in Todd's blog. Therefore, I must conclude that with the answers posted above, I am confident in a Pre-Trib rapture. I've seen both arguments and now am satisfied with Todd and his blog. God bless you my friend.

Brother, I implore you to take a step back and remain in the undecided camp for the time being. These are really weak arguments Todd presents and YOU owe it to yourself to wait awhile before you jump on board. Your eternal destiny might hinge on it. Not that I think one cannot be saved believing the pre-trib doctrine. But the day will come soon when it WILL matter what one believes about the rapture. I'm preparing for the trib spiritually. By default i'm ready for a pre-trib rapture if it happens. But those who are looking for a pre-trib rapture probably will not have enough Holy Ghost steel in their soul to endure the trib if it does turn out they have to go through it. Please wait before you make a decision brother. Todd is not using sound hermeneutics and many on here can prove it.

[mfblume]

Rather than haven questions answered, I think people revert back to what is most familiar from what has been taught in the past more than anything. And they translate that into witnessing with truth.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Brother, I implore you to take a step back and remain in the undecided camp for the time being. These are really weak arguments Todd presents and YOU owe it to yourself to wait awhile before you jump on board. Your eternal destiny might hinge on it. Not that I think one cannot be saved believing the pre-trib doctrine. But the day will come soon when it WILL matter what one believes about the rapture. I'm preparing for the trib spiritually. By default i'm ready for a pre-trib rapture if it happens. But those who are looking for a pre-trib rapture probably will not have enough Holy Ghost steel in their soul to endure the trib if it does turn out they have to go through it. Please wait before you make a decision brother. Todd is not using sound hermeneutics and many on here can prove it.

Thank you Brother O. I didn't know that there was anything else taught when I was growing up such as a mid-trib or a post-trib rapture. The last couple of months really did it for me. Remember when I asked the forum on a thread I started about the rapture? Well, I didn't just let the topic go, I read through alot of information over the last couple of months and came across this blog. The information resonated with me and it answered some questions that I had. Just so that you do not worry my Brother, I will remain rapture ready no matter what the outcome may be. Their are pan-tribbers too! lol (it'll all pan out). Peace my God fearing friend.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Thank you Brother O. I didn't know that there was anything else taught when I was growing up such as a mid-trib or a post-trib rapture. The last couple of months really did it for me. Remember when I asked the forum on a thread I started about the rapture? Well, I didn't just let the topic go, I read through alot of information over the last couple of months and came across this blog. The information resonated with me and it answered some questions that I had. Just so that you do not worry my Brother, I will remain rapture ready no matter what the outcome may be. Their are pan-tribbers too! lol (it'll all pan out). Peace my God fearing friend.

Brother may I ask you to point out the pre-trib rapture in Matthew 24?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Brother may I ask you to point out the pre-trib rapture in Matthew 24?

There is no pre-trib rapture in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 simply states that this would be Jesus's second coming which is not the actual rapture. This passage is dealing specifically with Israel and not the church. Notice that at the beginning Jesus foretold the destruction of the temple which took place under Titus in 70 AD (this was the result of the Jews rejecting Christ as the messiah). All of these prophecies from Jesus were to the Jews and the church was not present in any of these prophecies. I found some information which confirms all of this and will share more in depth tomorrow. For now this is the short version for your answer.

Just so you know my friend, I didn't come up with my opinion without much study and research and did not take any of this lightly. I might be inclined to write a book about this subject (I've never written a book before, lol) and I will probably use alot of resources for references. This topic is interesting, I was always taught about a pre-trib rapture and didn't know that there was such a thing as mid/post trib until I was in my early twenties.

AFF has been a good reason for me to study this topic out for myself (which is why I really appreciate this site). There are a lot of views on differing topics, some of which has changed my mind about certain things.

As stated in the first post, a pre-trib rapture is not a new thing and I would like to clear many of these things up. Someone told me (an old time Pentecostal preacher) that the oneness and early Pentecostals taught pre-trib rapture until a trinitarian convert brought in the post-trib topic. Although I do not know whether this is a fact, this is something else I will be looking into. God bless you my brother.