The Anti-christ IS the "restrainer"?

[Sean]

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

We were taught this refers to the man of sin when actually it refers to the REVELATION OF JESUS. QUOTE: MICHAEL THE DISCIPLE



4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,





Michael, look at the bold print please bro.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sean

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

We were taught this refers to the man of sin when actually it refers to the REVELATION OF JESUS. QUOTE: MICHAEL THE DISCIPLE



4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,





Michael, look at the bold print please bro.

Sean please read my posts.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Sean please read my posts.

Michael, I am reading them.
Thats why I posted that one.
I disagree.
I would have to ignore what I posted and get into "advanced" explanation if I agreed with yours bro.

[mfblume]

How could this Be in our future if the first chapter had Paul tell the persecuted Thessalonians in the first century that they will be avenged by JESUS' revelation? To avenge people is to punish the people who persecuted them. And if this is future from our day the the persecutors of the thessalonians would get no punishment at all from JESUS since they're long dead and gone anyway.

.2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

How could this Be in our future if the first chapter had Paul tell the persecuted Thessalonians in the first century that they will be avenged by JESUS' revelation? To avenge people is to punish the people who persecuted them. And if this is future from our day the the persecutors of the thessalonians would get no punishment at all from JESUS since they're long dead and gone anyway.

.2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

So your alternative is that Jesus was already revealed from Heaven giving rest to his saints. Jesus already came to be glorified in his saints and punished the wicked with eternal destruction.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

We were taught this refers to the man of sin when actually it refers to the REVELATION OF JESUS. QUOTE: MICHAEL THE DISCIPLE



4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,





Michael, look at the bold print please bro.

Sean that is exactly correct and follows grammatical demands for reading. Nothing between verses three and six changes the "he" to JESUS. Especially with verse 8 as you pointed out that mentions the wicked being revealed.