The Anti-christ IS the "restrainer"?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Paul is bringing the Church to remembrance not only of what keeps us from sin, but keeps sin
from us! Remember: "...false Christs and prophets will show great signs and wonders; insomuch
that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." You must ask yourselves, what
is keeping us from being deceived? It is the Holy Spirit abiding in us!

Of course the Holy Spirit is omnipresent, because it is that individual portion of the Father's Spirit:
it is without contradiction. And THAT is the only thing that restrains the fullness of iniquity and
sin in the world. It is NOT the denom's or the temples; it is NOT you or me; it is the Holy Spirit
in the Church! Now this: the Holy Spirit will NOT be taken out of the world: it will be taken out
of the way..."And then shall that wicked be revealed..."!

You that refuse to receive the Holy Spirit: YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!

The problem is, this deception happens with the elect still on earth. If the Spirit has left then he has left the elect.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The problem is, this deception happens with the elect still on earth. If the Spirit has left then he has left the elect.

To what deception are you referring?

The Holy Spirit WILL NOT be taken out of the world (earth): that is a deception! The Holy Spirit
will be "...taken out of the way..." to accomplish the final deception on those who will not receive
the Truth. Then will these words begin to be fulfilled: He that is unjust let him be unjust
still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be
righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

The Holy Spirit will STILL ABIDE IN the Church (in the faithful).

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

To what deception are you referring?

The Holy Spirit WILL NOT be taken out of the world (earth): that is a deception! The Holy Spirit
will be "...taken out of the way..." to accomplish the final deception on those who will not receive
the Truth. Then will these words begin to be fulfilled: He that is unjust let him be unjust
still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be
righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

The Holy Spirit will STILL ABIDE IN the Church (in the faithful).

Is this the same as God sending strong delusion?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Is this the same as God sending strong delusion?

If you are asking whether the "strong delusion" is akin to the Holy Spirit being "taken out of
the way", then YES!

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

If you are asking whether the "strong delusion" is akin to the Holy Spirit being "taken out of
the way", then YES!

I don't see your view as being far out or unbelievable.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I don't see your view as being far out or unbelievable.

I'm glad. I have found that the only ones who do not accept my views are they
who are far out and unbelievable! (JK...I think?)

[mfblume]

Few ever approach the issue without a vendetta to simply strengthen their views, so there's no much benefit to it. How about forgetting what we have to fit these passages into in order to keep our belief, but looking at the passage and letting it simply instruct us with no preconceived ideas?

This ra ra ra rooting for OUR team belief is dull. Let the word direct us without having to resort to others' books to figure it out.