Why I Am A Futurist

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I already answered you. But calm down some, okay. And all these charges. You know i believe in a resurrection. The kingdom itself is not as i indicated the last time you said this. If Jesus was not taking about the lack of a physical kingdom itself, why did he say you can't say it is here or there? He meant the kingdom itself being physical.

But again, wow. What's the brash tone all about?

Brash? I'm not being brash. Least I don't feel brash lol.

I'm saying that when you say "the kingdom will never be physical" that it sure seems to me like a denial of the resurrection.

I know you believe in resurrection, but I think you are making statements which contradict that. Looks inconsistent to me.

Did not mean to sound rude or gruff or whatever. Texting from phone.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Brash? I'm not being brash. Least I don't feel brash lol.

You sure sound like it, accusing me of denying resurrection when you know that is not true. Bad form.

I'm saying that when you say "the kingdom will never be physical" that it sure seems to me like a denial of the resurrection.

How? Physical resurrection is not the kingdom. Obviously your view of kingdom is different than I've ever heard. how does a physical resurrection imply a physical kingdom?

I know you believe in resurrection, but I think you are making statements which contradict that. Looks inconsistent to me.

How?

Did not mean to sound rude or gruff or whatever. Texting from phone.

Thanks for the clarification.

But we are in the kingdom now, and it';s not physical. We're physical beings, though. So why would the kingdom become physical just because we will get immortal physical bodies after having mortal physical bodies where there was no physical kingdom?

[Michael The Disciple]

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Originally Posted by mfblume

You sure sound like it, accusing me of denying resurrection when you know that is not true. Bad form.



How? Physical resurrection is not the kingdom. Obviously your view of kingdom is different than I've ever heard. how does a physical resurrection imply a physical kingdom?


How?

At the same time as the resurrection the groaning creation will also be set free from its bondage. We will needs be able to act within it to help restore it to its original state.

Thats why Paul said:

1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Cor 6:1-2

Its all part of the plan of YHWH.

[mfblume]

[QUOTE=Michael The Disciple;1355921]

At the same time as the resurrection the groaning creation will also be set free from its bondage. We will needs be able to act within it to help restore it to its original state.

Thats why Paul said:

1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 1 Cor 6:1-2

Its all part of the plan of YHWH.

I agree with that. But none of that implies a physical kingdom.

Obviously we are speaking past each other about the actual "kingdom".

When I say it will never be a physical kingdom I do not mean it will never affect the physical realm. We see it affect the physical now when we see healing, etc. But by physical kingdom I refer to a palace or some actual physical city that is THE kingdom, as we see in the white house or the Parliament Hill or Buckingham Palace. That is referring to the kingdom itself, not what it "affects".

What do you mean when you say physical kingdom?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You sure sound like it, accusing me of denying resurrection when you know that is not true. Bad form.



How? Physical resurrection is not the kingdom. Obviously your view of kingdom is different than I've ever heard. how does a physical resurrection imply a physical kingdom?


How?



Thanks for the clarification.

But we are in the kingdom now, and it';s not physical. We're physical beings, though. So why would the kingdom become physical just because we will get immortal physical bodies after having mortal physical bodies where there was no physical kingdom?

The kingdom will become physical when we are resurrected. Not sure how this can be missed, it's simple definition. Unless we are using different definitions for physical?